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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Google:

    " senior official with U.S. Central Command said Thursday a force of roughly 20,000 to 25,000 Iraqis, retrained by the U.S.-led coalition will ultimately lay siege to Mosul, likely in April or May."

    and then explain how you read "President Obama said" and that the Pentagon didn't know of the announcement out of that.
    On who's orders did this "senior official with U.S. Central Command" do this? Not too many out rank a "senior official with U.S. Central Command".

    Violating operational security is a violation of some of the most basic and most fundamental precepts of military operations, needlessly putting troops and the mission at risk. No, I'm thinking this is a politically motivated decision, that has Obama's and / or the White House's finger prints all over that, as this is what they typically do: politics uber alles.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ONLY if we can convince them to then go get in those bunkers for us. If only they'd do that this would be a piece of cake.

    Bunkers?
    You think ISIS is leaving the territory they control without a fight?

    How's the drone campaign working?
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Outstanding read on Iraq after ISIS...
    Iraq after the Islamic State: Politics Rule

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    All I have to say is to tell the enemy when you are coming or leaving is ****ing (pardon my french) insane....
    Ummm... didn't we do just that when we first invaded Iraq? Didn't we announce we were coming over for ... oh... I don't know... 6 months before we actually did?
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm... didn't we do just that when we first invaded Iraq?
    Touché.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Touché.
    The belief that giving ISIL a week or even a month's heads up will make any difference is absurd. What are they going to do? Ready up their tanks? Dust off their helicopters? Upgrade their nuclear arsenal?
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The level of stupidity in the government gets more astounding literally, by the day.

    You don't give the enemy advanced notice of when you plan to attack!

    It is because it scores them political points for the world to know that the US is going after ISIS and what do politicians care about most? Political position. What the announcement may mean from a strategic standpoint is of little concern for them.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm... didn't we do just that when we first invaded Iraq? Didn't we announce we were coming over for ... oh... I don't know... 6 months before we actually did?
    false.

    nobody divulged target lists , troop strengths, or unit compositions.

    servicemembers who do this open themselves up to prosecution under the UCMJ

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The belief that giving ISIL a week or even a month's heads up will make any difference is absurd. What are they going to do? Ready up their tanks? Dust off their helicopters? Upgrade their nuclear arsenal?
    is there ever any reasons to keep military operational plans secret?.. and what would those reasons be?

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The level of stupidity in the government gets more astounding literally, by the day.

    You don't give the enemy advanced notice of when you plan to attack!
    My first thought is that those are pretty damned small brigades, if it takes that many to make up that number of troops. Of course you're right about never warning an enemy, but I always suspect disinformation when I see announcements like this. It would be unthinkable to try to recapture Mosul using nothing but local forces.

    I am sure a good part of the hundred M-1 tanks, 18 self-propelled 155mm. howitzers, three dozen or so Bradley fighting vehicles, etc. that are on the way to that theater would support local infantry in any campaign to retake Mosul. M-1's are pretty much invulnerable in urban fighting--provided they have infantry to protect their rear, where the armor is thinner. A strong force of local infantry on foot and in armed vehicles would neutralize that threat. Continual real-time reconnaissance from drones overhead would also be a big tactical advantage in an assault on Mosul. (So would informers in the city that special forces had previously recruited.)

    It might be well, too, to remind the inhabitants of Mosul that the U.S. has even bigger hammers available than tanks, and that it would not hesitate to use them even if it killed some civilians. I'm sure it would be a comfort to any ground commander to have a half-dozen B-52's and B-1's circling safely 35,000 feet overhead, each one loaded with twenty tons or more of guided bombs. For example, jihadist forces trying to assemble or train on the city soccer field might find it disruptive to have the whole field and stadium plastered with a couple dozen large bombs.

    I'm assuming all Mosul's electric, gas, water, telephone, and sewer services, its trucks, its warehouses, its radio facilities, its fuel tanks, its roads, wharves, and bridges, and any rail lines or airports would be destroyed in the weeks before any assault. It's usually possible to put these things out of commission only temporarily, so that no enormous cost is incurred to reconstruct them later.

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