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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What... I didn't say? Ummm... I said that one would think ISIL would already be doing these things. Which you agreed if they have any military experience. What I mocked was the belief that they would be doing it only now that the US has decided to take action. You really are having trouble with this.
    Which again no one said they would be just doing it now....so that's where your first confusion comes into play and you tried to jump off of that. Which was why you were shown what had been presented to you.

    Also now that ISIS knows of the Iraqi force.....it would change some scenarios for hostages. Which they would certainly use while hardening up the defenses they had already set up. Which as there would be no way for them to know of this info before.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

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    Which again no one said they would be just doing it now....so that's where your first confusion comes into play and you tried to jump off of that. Which was why you were shown what had been presented to you.

    Also now that ISIS knows of the Iraqi force.....it would change some scenarios for hostages. Which they would certainly use while hardening up the defenses they had already set up. Which as there would be no way for them to know of this info before.
    The largely Shiite troops of the Iraqi army are unlikely to risk their lives to win back a Sunni dominated city, several U.S. military officers told The Daily Beast on Friday. Indeed, when ISIS stormed the city last June, Iraqi forces walked away, leading the U.S. and 60 other nations to form a coalition against the terror group.

    Even if the Iraqi troops do stand up and fight the self-proclaimed Islamic State, having a Shiite force move in and potentially ravage a major Sunni city in a bid to save it could have adverse affects on the Sunnis in Iraq and broader Sunni Arab world. Sectarian tensions, particularly in Iraq, run that deep.

    I cannot believe that Shiites would fight for Mosul, one officer who served in the restive Sunni province of Anbar during the Iraq War told The Daily Beast.
    So far, there is no evidence of a strong Sunni-majority Iraqi Army brigade, and U.S. Central Command has said it will take at least eight brigades to win back the city

    Exclusive: Pentagon Doubts Its Own ISIS War Plan - The Daily Beast

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Which again no one said they would be just doing it now
    Lmao, you were the person to suggest that this gave ISIL the opportunity to take measures to defend themselves. Here you are:

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How about harden defenses, traps, set up civilians by key strategic facilities, move valuable equipment around, and of course hostages.
    What was pointed out (by me) is that they've been preparing for this long before we announced it. Hell, it's only logical if they've fought the Jordanians, Iran backed Shiite and Kurds. You agreed and even stated that it would be logical if they have any military experience. As such, being outraged that this information is now public is absurd for the very reasons you yourself agreed to: If they have any military experience, it's only logical they'd be preparing for this long before we announced it. Let's get serious, man.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

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    The largely Shiite troops of the Iraqi army are unlikely to risk their lives to win back a Sunni dominated city, several U.S. military officers told The Daily Beast on Friday. Indeed, when ISIS stormed the city last June, Iraqi forces walked away, leading the U.S. and 60 other nations to form a coalition against the terror group.

    Even if the Iraqi troops do stand up and fight the self-proclaimed Islamic State, having a Shiite force move in and potentially ravage a major Sunni city in a bid to save it could have adverse affects on the Sunnis in Iraq and broader Sunni Arab world. Sectarian tensions, particularly in Iraq, run that deep.

    “I cannot believe that Shiites would fight for Mosul,” one officer who served in the restive Sunni province of Anbar during the Iraq War told The Daily Beast.
    So far, there is no evidence of a strong Sunni-majority Iraqi Army brigade, and U.S. Central Command has said it will take at least eight brigades to win back the city

    Exclusive: Pentagon Doubts Its Own ISIS War Plan - The Daily Beast
    If the real plan were for Kurds to make up most of an infantry force assigned to take Mosul, talking a lot about how it would be made up of mostly Shia Iraqi army troops would be one way to deceive the jihadists. In the same way, if the real plan were not to attack Mosul directly at all, it might not be a bad deception to float stories about going right into the city.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, you were the person to suggest that this gave ISIL the opportunity to take measures to defend themselves. Here you are:



    What was pointed out (by me) is that they've been preparing for this long before we announced it. Hell, it's only logical if they've fought the Jordanians, Iran backed Shiite and Kurds. You agreed and even stated that it would be logical if they have any military experience. As such, being outraged that this information is now public is absurd for the very reasons you yourself agreed to: If they have any military experience, it's only logical they'd be preparing for this long before we announced it. Let's get serious, man.


    Yeah I just pointed out they would harden them even more. Its not that difficult to figure out. They have had defenses up in Mosul for some time. Which goes back to the basics. I already shown what you stated and then I showed you what ISIS was actually doing. Then what Team BO said and now was saying.

    So get serious.....it was like I said with the mocking BS.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The largely Shiite troops of the Iraqi army are unlikely to risk their lives to win back a Sunni dominated city, several U.S. military officers told The Daily Beast on Friday. Indeed, when ISIS stormed the city last June, Iraqi forces walked away, leading the U.S. and 60 other nations to form a coalition against the terror group.

    Even if the Iraqi troops do stand up and fight the self-proclaimed Islamic State, having a Shiite force move in and potentially ravage a major Sunni city in a bid to save it could have adverse affects on the Sunnis in Iraq and broader Sunni Arab world. Sectarian tensions, particularly in Iraq, run that deep.

    “I cannot believe that Shiites would fight for Mosul,” one officer who served in the restive Sunni province of Anbar during the Iraq War told The Daily Beast.
    So far, there is no evidence of a strong Sunni-majority Iraqi Army brigade, and U.S. Central Command has said it will take at least eight brigades to win back the city

    Exclusive: Pentagon Doubts Its Own ISIS War Plan - The Daily Beast

    Yeah AT. And then these guys were saying this.


    "From the beginning, they've been obsessed with the Awakening," said Hassan. "They've done everything to prevent it happening again: built sleeper cells, bought loyalty, divided communities. "They've succeeded in making internal resistance practically impossible. No tribe will fight them, because they will find themselves fighting their own brothers and cousins."

    Although the Baathists were originally a secular movement, Saddam introduced a "Faith campaign" in the 1990s that sought to Islamise society. "Very few people have focused on the impact of that campaign," said Hassan. "It radicalised many Baathists and they combined the violence of the regime with that of jihadism, making them even worse than Al-Qaeda." "But they have combined religion, geopolitics, economics and much more in their ideology.....snip~

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The largely Shiite troops of the Iraqi army are unlikely to risk their lives to win back a Sunni dominated city, several U.S. military officers told The Daily Beast on Friday. Indeed, when ISIS stormed the city last June, Iraqi forces walked away, leading the U.S. and 60 other nations to form a coalition against the terror group.

    Even if the Iraqi troops do stand up and fight the self-proclaimed Islamic State, having a Shiite force move in and potentially ravage a major Sunni city in a bid to save it could have adverse affects on the Sunnis in Iraq and broader Sunni Arab world. Sectarian tensions, particularly in Iraq, run that deep.

    “I cannot believe that Shiites would fight for Mosul,” one officer who served in the restive Sunni province of Anbar during the Iraq War told The Daily Beast.
    So far, there is no evidence of a strong Sunni-majority Iraqi Army brigade, and U.S. Central Command has said it will take at least eight brigades to win back the city

    Exclusive: Pentagon Doubts Its Own ISIS War Plan - The Daily Beast
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah I just pointed out they would harden them even more.
    Lmao, we're back at square one. First you're saying that it's common sense that it would happen anyways if they have any military experience. Now you're complaining that they might do what you already agreed would happen anyways. Do you or do you not believe that this would have happened regardless? If the answer is yes, then there is absolutely nothing for you to complain about. If the answer is no, then you've just contradicted at least 3 of your own posts. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show me that post discussing what ISIL wouldn't do.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, we're back at square one. First you're saying that it's common sense that it would happen anyways if they have any military experience. Now you're complaining that they might do what you already agreed would happen anyways. Do you or do you not believe that this would have happened regardless? If the answer is yes, then there is absolutely nothing for you to complain about. If the answer is no, then you've just contradicted at least 3 of your own posts. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show me that post discussing what ISIL wouldn't do.

    Yeah we are and its like Thrilla mentioned.....all your so called Military understanding. Well.....he deferred. Me.....I'll tell you like it is.

    Its just not there!

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah we are and its like Thrilla mentioned.....all your so called Military understanding. Well.....he deferred. Me.....I'll tell you like it is.

    Its just not there!
    I accept your acknowledgement of defeat. You made erroneous claims about what I said and then when called to validate them, you couldn't. There is nothing else for us to discuss here other than the fact that your narrative has fallen apart.
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