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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You keep pushing that lie, but I dare you to find a single post where I've discussed what ISIL wouldn't do. As a matter of fact, from the beginning I've been stating that if ISIL is as bad as you've claimed they are for the past year or so, they would have been doing these things anyways. MMC, your narrative is falling apart.
    Its not a lie if it seemed that way to me. But if you can't take the apology, then that's on you.

    But really I don't mind you using BO peeps term ISIL to run away from AQIL and that Narrative he pushed about them being a former shadow of themselves and that they are on the run. Regardless of the perspective it gives.....and your affection for him. Just sayin.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its not a lie if it seemed that way to me.
    It can seem whatever you want it to seem like. You've been asked to substantiate your claim. If you can't and you continue to push the claim, you are in fact lying.

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    C'man MMC, tell me in what post I discussed what ISIL wouldn't focus on.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It can seem whatever you want it to seem like. You've been asked to substantiate your claim. If you can't and you continue to push the claim, you are in fact lying.
    No I didn't lie as you posted up the links and were mocking the tactic of hardening defenses and the taking of hostages. So it definitely seemed that way to me.

    That's the point.....I don't lie.....and you wont ever ever paint me out like so. So you can save all your BS now rather than be made to look like a fool.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Outstanding read on Iraq after ISIS...
    Iraq after the Islamic State: Politics Rule
    It is an excellent read.
    Those chatting here should give it a good twice over.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No I didn't lie as you posted up the links and were mocking the tactic of hardening defenses and the taking of hostages.
    I posted up links on a discussion that had nothing to do with what ISIL would do. The links I posted had everything to do with the Bush administration announcing we'd be invading Iraq. Hell, just to show how much you're lying, what I mocked was ISIL doing what you admitted that they would do if they had any kind of military background:

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC
    They do have those that were in the military and would follow such basic general ideas. Why one wouldn't even consider it to be a given.
    As I said, it can seem whatever way you want it to seem. It's still a lie to claim that I discussed what ISIL wouldn't do. What I have been laughing at from the beginning is your absurd outrage that ISIL will now do what you admit they would do if they have any kind of military in their ranks. Get serious and quit pushing lies when your narrative fails.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    My first thought is that those are pretty damned small brigades, if it takes that many to make up that number of troops. Of course you're right about never warning an enemy, but I always suspect disinformation when I see announcements like this. It would be unthinkable to try to recapture Mosul using nothing but local forces.

    I am sure a good part of the hundred M-1 tanks, 18 self-propelled 155mm. howitzers, three dozen or so Bradley fighting vehicles, etc. that are on the way to that theater would support local infantry in any campaign to retake Mosul. M-1's are pretty much invulnerable in urban fighting--provided they have infantry to protect their rear, where the armor is thinner. A strong force of local infantry on foot and in armed vehicles would neutralize that threat. Continual real-time reconnaissance from drones overhead would also be a big tactical advantage in an assault on Mosul. (So would informers in the city that special forces had previously recruited.)

    It might be well, too, to remind the inhabitants of Mosul that the U.S. has even bigger hammers available than tanks, and that it would not hesitate to use them even if it killed some civilians. I'm sure it would be a comfort to any ground commander to have a half-dozen B-52's and B-1's circling safely 35,000 feet overhead, each one loaded with twenty tons or more of guided bombs. For example, jihadist forces trying to assemble or train on the city soccer field might find it disruptive to have the whole field and stadium plastered with a couple dozen large bombs.

    I'm assuming all Mosul's electric, gas, water, telephone, and sewer services, its trucks, its warehouses, its radio facilities, its fuel tanks, its roads, wharves, and bridges, and any rail lines or airports would be destroyed in the weeks before any assault. It's usually possible to put these things out of commission only temporarily, so that no enormous cost is incurred to reconstruct them later.
    Iraq is forced to use the Army as the Shia Militias who have been more successful, probably receiving the top end of equipment and such would be a disaster as Mosul is multi-ethnic. Sunni's in Mosul would not be happy with the Iraqi army either.
    A right proper mess to go into.
    But Mosul sits on top of ISIL supply lines. Take that, control that area, ISIL is split and has to do an end run around Mosul to supply other areas.
    Easier targets to take out.
    Last the number of Iraqi troops 25 K- poorly trained, equipped, this could very well be a massive blood fest.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hey, hey, no need to wave that white flag bitterly. You seem to believe that we didn't trumpet to the 4 winds that we were coming after Saddam and Baghdad from the start. Were you old enough to watch the war coverage by yourself in 2003?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Harden defences... against what exactly? Set up civilians by key strategic facilities? Moving hostages? Lol. Were they not doing these things already? Gee, one would think that big bad ISIL would have started doing these things now that they've gotten into fights the Kurds, Jordanians, Iran-backed Shiites, etc. Wait, they're only doing it now that the US is getting involved? Lol. Get serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So you don't know much about military tactics, nothing about logistics. Do you think that harden defenses, moving in more anti Air, setting more mines. Inside a city that has bridges and that has an underground that you laugh at the fact that defenses could be improved on from what one had set up from their beginning. Have more withdrawal points that they can fight from when looking to cut and run. A bit much for you to try and conceptualize huh? To difficult to comprehend, eh.

    Wait do you know anything about trying to stay alive when a known offensive is coming in a combat area? Anything at all?

    Yeah I get a good chuckle out of those that think they know some **** about the Military.....when they actually don't. Is that what your civilian handbook tells ya.


    Yeah which was my point about 2 wrongs don't make it Right.....Here is where we started and all that mocking of yours came in. Yet all that military experience you have showed Right thru .....as well as what you couldnt fathom or comprehend. But thanks for showing how you played it so you could bring BUSH in just to say the Repubs had done so too.

    Note how it seemed to me is was all that mocking BS you was doing. While not knowing what you were talking about.

    How you looking now Champ. Besides you know, all that howdy doody hot air and whatnot.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah which was my point about 2 wrongs don't make it Right.....Here is where we started and all that mocking of yours came in.
    Yes and here is where your fabrication of what I said comes in:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    Were they not doing these things already? Gee, one would think that big bad ISIL would have started doing these things now that they've gotten into fights the Kurds, Jordanians, Iran-backed Shiites, etc. Wait, they're only doing it now that the US is getting involved? Lol. Get serious.
    I mocked your absurd belief that ISIL wouldn't already be doing these things. Are you still going to tell us that I discussed what ISIL wouldn't do? The best part is that you finally admitted that ISIL would be doing these things if they had any military experience. That alone completely dilutes your partisan knee jerk reaction to us making it clear that we're coming after them. C'man MMC. Show us that reading is important and mental.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Blah, blah, blah. I'm so sick of you people exaggerating the capabilities of ISIS. They're a bunch of well armed rag tag thugs that will have their asses handed to them by the best army in the world.
    They did not get so far, so fast by being stupid. And note, they will be fighting the Iraqi Army, not the Canadian Military -OK. Had to put that in.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    It is an excellent read.
    Those chatting here should give it a good twice over.
    Wonder what Douglas Ollivant's angle is on this. As an advisor to the Monument Capital Group, he no doubt personally benefits from conflicts such as that in Iraq. Investing in global and national security, critical infrastructure, aerospace and government services industries!?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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