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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    as I said, I'll defer to your obvious expertise in military matters
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    These statements could be part of a plan to deceive the jihadists. If so, and the plan is carried out well, we Americans won't know ahead of time if they are true, either. But moving heavy weapons near an enemy presents him with a fact he can't ignore. If a couple dozen armed helicopters and A-10's were sent to Al Asad, for example, and a couple dozen more to a base in the Kurdish region of Iraq, would the jihadists in Iraq be forced to move, or change their tactics in some ways? Could they, even with Barack Obama as president, afford to dismiss the fact so much force had been moved up to within striking range of them as just a bluff?

    The 4th Infantry Division's 3d Armored Brigade Combat Team has been in Kuwait and Iraq before, mostly training Arab forces. It's not clear how much of the unit's heavy equipment, if any, is already in Kuwait, but I expect people living near Fort Carson will soon know what is being sent there. If most or all of that equipment is now in Colorado, moving it overseas takes too much time and effort just to be deception. If I were an ISIS bigshot, the shipment of a heavy U.S. armored force with 100 or so tanks to the area would be cause for serious concern.

    The commander of the 3d ABCT, Col. Greg Sierra, spoke to the men and their families about a week ago. He made this pointed observation: "In the end, if we do get into fights, we win decisively."

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    When you figure out that part about 2 wrongs don't make it Right. While bringing up what we did under a Republican leadership. Just to say see.....the Repubs did it too. While trying to save face over the BS you did say. While not figuring out what this was all about. Then you can talk.
    No, no, you seem to be under the impression that I find anything wrong with what the Bush administration did. I don't. It was inconsequential to the outcome of the war. Hell, one doesn't need to be a military savant like you or Thrilla in order to realise that. What I've addressed is your absurdly partisan reaction to the Obama Administration telling you that the military is going to do what you've been complaining that the Obama Administration won't do. It's weak form to spend 1 year on this forum complaining that we're not acting against ISIL, and then when the administration finally tells you that we're moving against ISIL you complain because you were told about it. Then you bring up nonsense about how this gives ISIL time to get ready. What the **** do you think they've been doing for the last 8 months? Did you think that the beheadings were done not thinking that some country would one day, oh I don't know, stand up to them? Did they think they'd go unchecked for years? Your narrative doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Get a new one.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    [QUOTE=matchlight;1064340234]These statements could be part of a plan to deceive the jihadists. If so, and the plan is carried out well, we Americans won't know ahead of time if they are true, either. But moving heavy weapons near an enemy presents him with a fact he can't ignore. If a couple dozen armed helicopters and A-10's were sent to Al Asad, for example, and a couple dozen more to a base in the Kurdish region of Iraq, would the jihadists in Iraq be forced to move, or change their tactics in some ways? Could they, even with Barack Obama as president, afford to dismiss the fact so much force had been moved up to within striking range of them as just a bluff?

    The 4th Infantry Division's 3d Armored Brigade Combat Team has been in Kuwait and Iraq before, mostly training Arab forces. It's not clear how much of the unit's heavy equipment, if any, is already in Kuwait, but I expect people living near Fort Carson will soon know what is being sent there. If most or all of that equipment is now in Colorado, moving it overseas takes too much time and effort just to be deception. If I were an ISIS bigshot, the shipment of a heavy U.S. armored force with 100 or so tanks to the area would be cause for serious concern.

    The commander of the 3d ABCT, Col. Greg Sierra, spoke to the men and their families about a week ago. He made this pointed observation: "In the end, if we do get into fights, we win decisively."[/QUOTE]

    To the bolded, lol. Yep yep. In the end if we do get into fights (with the Islamic State) it's because of previous loses and failures. Nothing's been won in over half a century.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    There's no defensive structure they can build that will hold up to what we've got. Were you still in diapers during desert storm?
    Very true, we can kill one hundred civilians for every one ISIS member now that they are for warned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, no, you seem to be under the impression that I find anything wrong with what the Bush administration did. I don't. It was inconsequential to the outcome of the war. Hell, one doesn't need to be a military savant like you or Thrilla in order to realise that. What I've addressed is your absurdly partisan reaction to the Obama Administration telling you that the military is going to do what you've been complaining that the Obama Administration won't do. It's weak form to spend 1 year on this forum complaining that we're not acting against ISIL, and then when the administration finally tells you that we're moving against ISIL you complain because you were told about it. Then you bring up nonsense about how this gives ISIL time to get ready. What the **** do you think they've been doing for the last 8 months? Did you think that the beheadings were done not thinking that some country would one day, oh I don't know, stand up to them? Did they think they'd go unchecked for years? Your narrative doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Get a new one.


    Try again since the beginning I have stated it will take more than Arab forces.....so it was never a false narrative. Oh and when I have Team BO talking out Both sides of its mouth as to what they are doing. Then show that's exactly what they have said and now want all to think we are taking some sort of action and this will come down in a few months, led by the Iraqis. That we trained them....I can see how you would think this is some sort of major action by us.

    Oh and as to ISIS.....the Islamic State. This does give them time to get ready for this possible offensive. More time.....see in the meantime. They have opened up a front in Lebanon. Took more ground in Syria and Iraq. Just put on an offensive forcing the Kurds to reinforce their lines to Erbil. Which doesn't count them taking the town of Baghdadi, and what they are doing in Anbar Province, while continuously using suicide bombers in Baghdad. While at the same time tested the Saud's New Border Fence.

    So you can see just how focused on waiting around for someone to show up to deal with them they are. Despite now knowing they have some more time to play with, over one offensive thought up by us to be executed by the Iraqis and possibly the Kurds, depending on if they have to defend their lines to Erbil again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Try again since the beginning I have stated it will take more than Arab forces.....so it was never a false narrative.
    All that diatribe just to fall deeper into more non sequiturs and straw man arguments nobody on my end has ever made. Now that you've realised that I didn't complain about the Bush administration trumpeting our plans, you move on to another silly argument. What I've addressed is your kinetic partisan reaction to Obama getting involved in ISIL just like you asked. Your complaint throughout this thing was that we made part of 'the plan' known. As if ISIL hasn't been preparing for an offensive for months from anyone. As if ISIL wouldn't spot 20K people moving through the desert. You want to continue pretending like this is such a massive blow to any Iraq strategy, my military savant friend, you go for it. It hasn't worked out too well so far, but go for it. I'm not going to get too worried about them knowing that the US is moving against them.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    All that diatribe just to fall deeper into more non sequiturs and straw man arguments nobody on my end has ever made. Now that you've realised that I didn't complain about the Bush administration trumpeting our plans, you move on to another silly argument. What I've addressed is your kinetic partisan reaction to Obama getting involved in ISIL just like you asked. Your complaint throughout this thing was that we made part of 'the plan' known. As if ISIL hasn't been preparing for an offensive for months from anyone. As if ISIL wouldn't spot 20K people moving through the desert. You want to continue pretending like this is such a massive blow to any Iraq strategy, my military savant friend, you go for it. It hasn't worked out too well so far, but go for it. I'm not going to get too worried about them knowing that the US is moving against them.


    Well you were the one.....that seemed to be thinking they wouldn't focus on hardening any defense they already have up. Moreover you did bring up how the Repubs did the same too. If I took it the wrong way.....my apologies.

    Like I said all along.....2 wrongs don't make it Right.

    Also I never believed we should give detailed information to any enemy.....as I never underestimate them and take them for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well you were the one.....that seemed to be thinking they wouldn't focus on hardening any defense
    You keep pushing that lie, but I dare you to find a single post where I've discussed what ISIL wouldn't do. As a matter of fact, from the beginning I've been stating that if ISIL is as bad as you've claimed they are for the past year or so, they would have been doing these things anyways. MMC, your narrative is falling apart.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    These statements could be part of a plan to deceive the jihadists. If so, and the plan is carried out well, we Americans won't know ahead of time if they are true, either. But moving heavy weapons near an enemy presents him with a fact he can't ignore. If a couple dozen armed helicopters and A-10's were sent to Al Asad, for example, and a couple dozen more to a base in the Kurdish region of Iraq, would the jihadists in Iraq be forced to move, or change their tactics in some ways? Could they, even with Barack Obama as president, afford to dismiss the fact so much force had been moved up to within striking range of them as just a bluff?

    The 4th Infantry Division's 3d Armored Brigade Combat Team has been in Kuwait and Iraq before, mostly training Arab forces. It's not clear how much of the unit's heavy equipment, if any, is already in Kuwait, but I expect people living near Fort Carson will soon know what is being sent there. If most or all of that equipment is now in Colorado, moving it overseas takes too much time and effort just to be deception. If I were an ISIS bigshot, the shipment of a heavy U.S. armored force with 100 or so tanks to the area would be cause for serious concern.
    Another person who just does not get it. America shipping huge amounts of military personnel and equipment is EXACTLY what ISIS wants...to draw America into another war it cannot win. Sure, it can win battles, but like Vietnam, it cannot win the war (short of nuking everything). Why does he think ISIS threatens Americans directly? To goad them...and it is working spectacularly.

    The commander of the 3d ABCT, Col. Greg Sierra, spoke to the men and their families about a week ago. He made this pointed observation: "In the end, if we do get into fights, we win decisively."
    Well duh (no offense).

    That is like saying when a 6'5", 250 pound, martial arts expert finally gets hold of a quick 5'9", 140 pound guy for a fight; the former wins 'decisively'.


    Now ask those families what they would rather have...their fathers/mothers coming home soon or die but win fights 'decisively'?

    Dying for a hopeless cause that costs America money it does not have and brave lives while doing nothing but increasing recruitment for the 'other side' is a complete waste of time. America is getting sucked into a Muslim 'civil' war.

    Bring all the troops home and let the Middle East clean up it's own mess.

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