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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, Erik.

    You beat me to the punch! Why in God's name are we announcing our plans to the enemy? I can't believe it's the military making the announcements, unless this just a big psychological punt for some reason! The element of surprise is helpful in war, I've been told. Sheesh! This is being treated like a big PR announcement, like Apple does when they've promoting a new product, with lots of fanfare and hand clapping - while innocent people are being tortured and killed!

    We don't see the enemy extending the same "courtesy" to us. They keep their plans secret, implement them, and we are caught with our pants down while they move onward, conquering new territory! : This is surreal! :

    "Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory." Sun Tzu from The Art of War
    Good morning, Polgara.

    Yeah, I can't see any military mind thinking that leaking such information to the enemy is something that can possibly enhance operational or mission success. It flies in the face of any and all common sense, so, the decision must be politically driven, is my conclusion, and who's the one in DC, in the WH that's always putting politics above all else, even reality? Only one I can think of, and that'd be Obama.

    Still looking for some reasoning from the Obama supporters where the flaw in this chain of conclusions is. Don't know if they are up to it.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    there was the beheadings of Egypt's Coptic Christians, there were airstrikes by Egypt,and Sisi declared war on ISIL.

    I've documented most of it here, if you ever want to follow Libya Libyan civil war? - Page 21
    Thanks buddy!!
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't know what you mean by authority. The UN I'm regularly reminded by the right, when it's convenient, and serves to advance a meme, is that the UN hasn't any authority, the member states do, and as a collective, vote! So yeah, I'd rather there be oversight. You don't trust Obama or democrats to run the "war on terror" and I trust neither party.
    I want the White House and Congress to uphold the Constitution. Only Congress has the power to declare war. Of course those chicken****s won't dare do it. In the end there will be no real national commitment and veterans will get screwed again. After WWII it has happened every time.

    As per the Constitution Obama does not have the power to execute a massive counter attack. I know small government conservatives and Libertarians agree.










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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I want the White House and Congress to uphold the Constitution. Only Congress has the power to declare war. Of course those chicken****s won't dare do it. In the end there will be no real national commitment and veterans will get screwed again. After WWII it has happened every time.

    As per the Constitution Obama does not have the power to execute a massive counter attack. I know small government conservatives and Libertarians agree.
    Nations vote, and resolutions are passed. The appointed figures like the SG and staff, committees etc., have no power or authority. They do not and will not declare war, much as Panetta tried to impress congress otherwise. Russia appears to be saying that terrorism is a global problem, it affects more than just the west, and as such, there should be a more centralised response, with nations contributing intelligence and cooperating on policy execution. On the surface at least, what's wrong with that? And perhaps you have no problem with that.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well with all that it is up, its backs the assertion. So you have ABC, Reuters, Generals, Spec OPs, and even analysts that are not named. Which would include other sources than just ABC. Then there is your side of it. You also have the pros and cons of letting the enemy know what one is doing. You should be happy that those in Mosul are getting word and hopefully a lot of civilians will start getting out now. If they can. That is one good point.
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    I'll agree, if you're going to do a military operation, you don't announce it in the media. Some say, this announcement is a diversionary tactic. Now maybe, the ISIS is commanded by a bunch of fools that will rise to the bait. Heck, even the all powerful Sauron was fooled by Aragorn to focusing his gaze at the western mens' feint while Frodo made his way into Mount Doom....but that's make believe, like the supposed diversionary announcement.

    On the other hand, Winston Churchill once said "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." It's hard enough to tell the truth from politicians, the military and the media during peace time much less during military conflicts...which we should not be involved with in the first place.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nations vote, and resolutions are passed. The appointed figures like the SG and staff, committees etc., have no power or authority. They do not and will not declare war, much as Panetta tried to impress congress otherwise. Russia appears to be saying that terrorism is a global problem, it affects more than just the west, and as such, there should be a more centralised response, with nations contributing intelligence and cooperating on policy execution. On the surface at least, what's wrong with that? And perhaps you have no problem with that.
    The US can vote all it likes and will, but per the 10th Amendment only Congress has the power to declare war, not the UN. The point is once again the WH and Congress working in concert to usurp the power of the People are guaranteed by the Constitution.

    We all know why it is done. The slime merchants that are Congress are career leeches. Their paramount concern is their re-election. Nothing is more important to dickheads. No president is going to be in office longer than 2 terms. Congress skirts their obligation and thus avoids direct responsibility and insures their own plausible deniability. Congress skates and the President gets to call the shots. Hero or zero, the president can only serve 2 terms. Congress being the ****s they are will either take all the credit or deny any connection depending on the outcome of the military action.

    Lastly, Congress continues to get free private airplane transportation, foreign travel with family, campaign funding, employment for family and former staffers, employment after Congress and walking around money from the military industrial complex.

    The industrial military complex gets mo money, mo money. And lots of it from Congress.

    A small segment of the public - members of the US military and their families - get the broken hearts, the broken homes, the broken bones and a feckin yellow ribbon bumper sticker.

    The major segment of the American public gets to pay massive bills, trillions upon trillions.

    The world has to live with the consequences of whatever unConstitutional decisions are made by a handful of Washington insiders comprising the shadow government - who have NO mandate from the People Of the United States.










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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    not one of those was in reference to a specific planned operation.

    general campaign information is fine by me, and most everyone else... it happens all the time.... specific operational details is a whole 'nuther matter

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    I'll agree, if you're going to do a military operation, you don't announce it in the media. Some say, this announcement is a diversionary tactic. Now maybe, the ISIS is commanded by a bunch of fools that will rise to the bait. Heck, even the all powerful Sauron was fooled by Aragorn to focusing his gaze at the western mens' feint while Frodo made his way into Mount Doom....but that's make believe, like the supposed diversionary announcement.

    On the other hand, Winston Churchill once said "In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." It's hard enough to tell the truth from politicians, the military and the media during peace time much less during military conflicts...which we should not be involved with in the first place.


    Good post.

    And as Eisenhower once stated, "once hostilities begin, all plans go out the window"! Which is another very good reason to avoid war, or creating power vacuums that give rise to freaks like the Islamic State organised criminals to big end with!
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    No one is doing that now either.
    if what you say were true, no one .. no one.. would have a problem with it.... including myself.

    now, if this is a diversionary tactic, I almost can see the sense in publicizing it... but such a diversionary tactics would be utterly unnecessary in regards to ISIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The US can vote all it likes and will, but per the 10th Amendment only Congress has the power to declare war, not the UN. The point is once again the WH and Congress working in concert to usurp the power of the People are guaranteed by the Constitution.

    We all know why it is done. The slime merchants that are Congress are career leeches. Their paramount concern is their re-election. Nothing is more important to dickheads. No president is going to be in office longer than 2 terms. Congress skirts their obligation and thus avoids direct responsibility and insures their own plausible deniability. Congress skates and the President gets to call the shots. Hero or zero, the president can only serve 2 terms. Congress being the ****s they are will either take all the credit or deny any connection depending on the outcome of the military action.

    Lastly, Congress continues to get free private airplane transportation, foreign travel with family, campaign funding, employment for family and former staffers, employment after Congress and walking around money from the military industrial complex.

    The industrial military complex gets mo money, mo money. And lots of it from Congress.

    A small segment of the public - members of the US military and their families - get the broken hearts, the broken homes, the broken bones and a feckin yellow ribbon bumper sticker.

    The major segment of the American public gets to pay massive bills, trillions upon trillions.

    The world has to live with the consequences of whatever unConstitutional decisions are made by a handful of Washington insiders comprising the shadow government - who have NO mandate from the People Of the United States.
    It would appear that we agree, right. I think my post that you quoted says the same thing, if in fewer words, that you're saying.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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