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Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

"....when we ended a war and secured our nation..."

Now, in light of videos of babies being decapitated, women and children slaughtered and increasing threats against the US and Canada because we are fighting there too....

in light of that, I find that video the most depressing ****ing video I have seen of any American president.

"The oceans will stop rising and the earth began to heal..."

Mr. Obama may think he knows what is a Muslim, but he thinks he's God

Note the gruberites behind him clapping like seals.

BTW, we just caught 3 ISIS members here in the US, they planned to kill cops, hijack a plane, and defect to ISIS.
I wonder how Obama will refer to them?
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Note the gruberites behind him clapping like seals.

BTW, we just caught 3 ISIS members here in the US, they planned to kill cops, hijack a plane, and defect to ISIS.
I wonder how Obama will refer to them?

"They could be my sons".....?
 
racism has always been at the heart of the American Right, from the days of southern Anti-Federalists sensing an existential threat to slavery, through Southern secession after Abraham Lincoln’s election in 1860, to the Ku Klux Klan’s resistance to black liberation and Reconstruction, to decades of Jim Crow laws, segregation and lynching, to anger over the federal government’s forced integration in the mid-Twentieth Century, to the Tea Party’s inchoate fury against America’s demographic changes personified by the first African-American president.

On Wednesday, when Tea Partiers donned their tri-corner caps and rallied against immigration reform on Capitol Hill, it was a Hispanic who suffered the brunt of their fury. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, was treated as their own Benedict Arnold, a traitor to the movement who dared promote legislation that would open a pathway to citizenship for many of the nation’s 12 million undocumented workers.

The Tea Partiers’ hatred of what they call “amnesty” is best understood as a recognition that many of those new citizens would have brown skin and likely vote Democratic, thus further diluting white power in the United States. That fear is reflected, too, in the Right’s systematic efforts to make voting harder across the country and to continue denying the District of Columbia any congressional representation.

Anyone can figure out that if Washington D.C. were populated by white conservative Republicans, rather than many people of color and liberal Democrats, the cause of D.C. representation would be a matter of “principle” for the Tea Party. There is no clearer case in America of people suffering under a key grievance of the Revolution: “no taxation without representation.”

However, given the dark-skin demographics and political leanings of the District’s population, Tea Partiers come to Washington to decry “taxation with representation” for themselves while caring nothing about “taxation without representation” for District citizens. The Tea Partiers wave their “Don’t Tread on Me” flags, but don’t demand seats in Congress for the people who live here.

With similar hypocrisy, the Right has rewritten the nation’s Founding narrative, an undertaking that has met little resistance from mainstream commentators who either don’t know the history themselves or don’t think the fight is worth having. Yet, ceding the historical narrative to the Right has meant that many Americans now think they are following the guideposts that the Framers left behind when they are actually being led in the opposite direction.

Leading the way in the years after independence, Washington and Madison wanted a unified nation that addressed the country’s practical needs and overcame the rivalries among the states. “Thirteen sovereignties,” Washington wrote, “pulling against each other, and all tugging at the federal head, will soon bring ruin to the whole.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/20/the-tea-partys-legacy-of-racism/
 

A five year old op ed piece proves what exactly?


Come on, FFS you guys go ape **** at a report two weeks old branding it "old news" and the best your googling can get you is a five year old black socialist opinion piece that cites nothing...

Yeah, the desperation is really showing now, first dragging up the Tea Party and now a five year old waste of band width by a wannabe journalist.

Since then, the Tea Party and its brethren have taken control of both houses of congress and more than half the states across the land,. one war has become seven, the non-affordable Careless act is way way more expensive than anyone thought and Obama is selling out the nation to a bunch of illegals who stole their place in the US...

and the best Obamaland can come up with is "Tea Party" and a five year old hot dog opinion piece about racism with not ONE LINE of attribution.

That's pathetic!
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Years ago it use to be the liberals who were wimps and weak. Now it's gone 180, now the conservatives whine and cry about the liberal media, or the liberal teachers, and blame their woes and problems on everyone but themselves. A married Republican congressman could get caught on film with his pants down in a whore house but the conservatives won't blame the congressman, they'll blame the liberal media for reporting it.

Nope- Both sides- both sides have created an atmosphere where partisan politics, first and always is the norm. We are right, they are wrong BS.
It has ruined political discussion at all levels.
While complain about the President all you want, regardless of who the President is, then look at how each house - min- maj behave.
They dysfunction within the US Political system is massive.
And the country suffers for it.
And it is a minority at either end of the spectrum that mainly drives this dysfunction.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Right you are....you said you no longer have serious discussions...


You admit you troll, why should I or anyone else even read your ****, you're not serious and admit it

That. Is. Not. What. I. Said. Go back and read the post again.
 
EVERY birther is racist. Every person who chose ,this time, to wonder whether a presidential candidate was born in the US, AND carry on with it for YEARS after the 'controversy' had been addressed and addressed and addressed. In 2012 a South Carolina tea party candidate for Congress told his audience that when HE was elected to Congress, he was going to send Obama back to Kenya.

Are you going to stand here with a straight face and tell us that was not racially motivated ?

What about Trump, demanding to see the birth certificate of the President of the United States after he had been in office for four years, and then saying the President was too busy "playing basketball" to produce his college transcripts.

No race motivation for Trump either, I suppose. How long has your head been in the sand?

Now we are going back six years and to "birthers"

This is astonishing, the level of desperation! The thread is questioning whether the president of the United States love his country...and the defense of that has degenerated into a six year old whine about "racists" with the LEAD sentence declaring "every...." no exceptions, anyone who ever questioned that birth certificate is now "racist".

Can there be a better example of the fact Obama does NOT love America? When his 'till death do us part' Grubers cannot step up and defend is loyalty in any of the thousands and thousands of teleprompter addresses he has given, and resort to tired, old, false accusations it's pretty clear there is no evidence he loves his country.

And, I am beginning to believe many of his followers hate white people....
 
Now we are going back six years and to "birthers"

This is astonishing, the level of desperation! The thread is questioning whether the president of the United States love his country...and the defense of that has degenerated into a six year old whine about "racists" with the LEAD sentence declaring "every...." no exceptions, anyone who ever questioned that birth certificate is now "racist".

Can there be a better example of the fact Obama does NOT love America? When his 'till death do us part' Grubers cannot step up and defend is loyalty in any of the thousands and thousands of teleprompter addresses he has given, and resort to tired, old, false accusations it's pretty clear there is no evidence he loves his country.

And, I am beginning to believe many of his followers hate white people....

Of course he loves his country. But I like other agree with some policies, not with other policies. For anyone to claim a President does not love their country, that is the level US Politics has descended to. And it is on a fast move lower.
Interesting article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/u...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
 
Now we are going back six years and to "birthers"

This is astonishing, the level of desperation! The thread is questioning whether the president of the United States love his country...and the defense of that has degenerated into a six year old whine about "racists" with the LEAD sentence declaring "every...." no exceptions, anyone who ever questioned that birth certificate is now "racist".

Can there be a better example of the fact Obama does NOT love America? When his 'till death do us part' Grubers cannot step up and defend is loyalty in any of the thousands and thousands of teleprompter addresses he has given, and resort to tired, old, false accusations it's pretty clear there is no evidence he loves his country.

And, I am beginning to believe many of his followers hate white people....


You have nothing to say, other than that you believe Obama does not love America , based on ------ nothing.

I see.
 
Of course he loves his country. But I like other agree with some policies, not with other policies. For anyone to claim a President does not love their country, that is the level US Politics has descended to. And it is on a fast move lower.
Interesting article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/u...st-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


And where did the degeneration begin....


“In these highly polarized times, your willingness to say a president has certain powers is intertwined with your trust that the president will exercise those powers wisely,” said William A. Galston, who was a domestic policy aide to President Bill Clinton. “As that trust has all but broken down, interpretations of constitutional authority will bump up and down depending on the occupant of the White House.”

But the trust issue goes beyond the mere EO issue, and to what Guilliani is talking about. He knew exactly what he was doing, and I suggest at almost any other time in history he would have been shot down. But here we are, debating whether its true and his defenders coming up with rants about Tea Party and "racists".

By opening that door, Rudy scored a big one....because there is truth in it, especially on the issue Rudy was addressing, Obama's stupid insistence at cleansing the terms used about the enemy. And again I ask, based on his treatment of "enemies", the Republican elected to congress and his bleating about ISIS, what is there that shows he putting the needs of the soldiers at war, the civilians being slaughtered or the security of the nation ahead of his own political image...

We ask for something to show he loves his country, a seriously ugly question of a president at war, and get insults and called "racist" for asking.

I repeat, pathetic
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Wow - 'American Commies'. Haven't heard that one in a long time. Congratulations.

Oh, by the way, the 20th century ended about 15 years ago. The 1950's ended about 55 years ago. You need some new buzz words. Otherwise you sound like a dork.

At least you know what year it is. Congratulations.

I don't consider commie a buzzword, but an accurate description for Barack Obama and similar anti-American leftists. I like the term, and you can expect to see me use it a lot more. This country was lucky to have Senator Joseph McCarthy trying to expose communist traitors in the U.S. government during the early 1950's. We now know a number of them were outright agent of Stalin's KGB. It's only a pity we don't have Joe McCarthy today, because the country is crawling with the same kind of rats.
 
The rightwinger's want their president to be like..........


The lefty's want a president that's like....
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Yeah, tell your wife you want to fundamentally change her and see if she feels loved.
What a great analogy.
 
thanks for trolling and the hate. proves everything I've been saying

I think the people who kept this nothing burger thread going for 689 comments are the trolls. What has Obama said or done that proves he doesn't love America ? Nothing. You think we are going to take that clown Giuliani's word for it ?

Every time you think the far right/libertarians/tea party can't get any more nuts, along comes a story like this one.
 
EVERY birther is racist. Every person who chose ,this time, to wonder whether a presidential candidate was born in the US, AND carry on with it for YEARS after the 'controversy' had been addressed and addressed and addressed. In 2012 a South Carolina tea party candidate for Congress told his audience that when HE was elected to Congress, he was going to send Obama back to Kenya.

Are you going to stand here with a straight face and tell us that was not racially motivated ?

What about Trump, demanding to see the birth certificate of the President of the United States after he had been in office for four years, and then saying the President was too busy "playing basketball" to produce his college transcripts.

No race motivation for Trump either, I suppose. How long has your head been in the sand?
Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com
 
Now we are going back six years and to "birthers"

This is astonishing, the level of desperation! The thread is questioning whether the president of the United States love his country...and the defense of that has degenerated into a six year old whine about "racists" with the LEAD sentence declaring "every...." no exceptions, anyone who ever questioned that birth certificate is now "racist".

Can there be a better example of the fact Obama does NOT love America? When his 'till death do us part' Grubers cannot step up and defend is loyalty in any of the thousands and thousands of teleprompter addresses he has given, and resort to tired, old, false accusations it's pretty clear there is no evidence he loves his country.

And, I am beginning to believe many of his followers hate white people....

What else is there? Every comment is met with an accusation of racism, etc. According to them there is no legitimate criticism of Obama.
So when Rudy speaks, this must be why he says what he does. :lol:
 
And where did the degeneration begin....




But the trust issue goes beyond the mere EO issue, and to what Guilliani is talking about. He knew exactly what he was doing, and I suggest at almost any other time in history he would have been shot down. But here we are, debating whether its true and his defenders coming up with rants about Tea Party and "racists".

By opening that door, Rudy scored a big one....because there is truth in it, especially on the issue Rudy was addressing, Obama's stupid insistence at cleansing the terms used about the enemy. And again I ask, based on his treatment of "enemies", the Republican elected to congress and his bleating about ISIS, what is there that shows he putting the needs of the soldiers at war, the civilians being slaughtered or the security of the nation ahead of his own political image...

We ask for something to show he loves his country, a seriously ugly question of a president at war, and get insults and called "racist" for asking.

I repeat, pathetic

I see your points. Until their is a minimum level of cooperation and even less so on an increase with respect, which would be a drastic improvement, the country suffers.
The nearest historical point I can think of, are the dying days of Rome.
 
And where did the degeneration begin....




But the trust issue goes beyond the mere EO issue, and to what Guilliani is talking about. He knew exactly what he was doing, and I suggest at almost any other time in history he would have been shot down. But here we are, debating whether its true and his defenders coming up with rants about Tea Party and "racists".

By opening that door, Rudy scored a big one....because there is truth in it, especially on the issue Rudy was addressing, Obama's stupid insistence at cleansing the terms used about the enemy. And again I ask, based on his treatment of "enemies", the Republican elected to congress and his bleating about ISIS, what is there that shows he putting the needs of the soldiers at war, the civilians being slaughtered or the security of the nation ahead of his own political image...

We ask for something to show he loves his country, a seriously ugly question of a president at war, and get insults and called "racist" for asking.

I repeat, pathetic

You demand "evidence" that Obama "loves his country" knowing full well no answer will be good enough.
 
I see your points. Until their is a minimum level of cooperation and even less so on an increase with respect, which would be a drastic improvement, the country suffers.
The nearest historical point I can think of, are the dying days of Rome.

I first read that and to argue the point, but I really can't find a better comparison....Marie Antoinette maybe...
 
According to them there is no legitimate criticism of Obama.
So when Rudy speaks, this must be why he says what he does.

What in the hell is the "legitimate" criticism in what Giuliani said ? All that statement was is catnip for the birthers , haters, faux "patriots" , and extremists on the right. That is all it was.
 
I first read that and to argue the point, but I really can't find a better comparison....Marie Antoinette maybe...

Myself, that is the nearest comparison I could come up with.
With the Republicans having a Majority in both houses those 2 leaders cannot agree on many issues.
Neither have spoken to the other in 2 weeks and the country is headed for a shutdown of DHS.
How can this division be described?
And I am aware that Democrats have done the same thing.
And the country suffers.
From the link posted earlier.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/u...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Speaker John A. Boehner told his Republican conference at a closed-door meeting Wednesday morning that he and Mr. McConnell had not spoken in two weeks, something several lawmakers said they found surprising. Mr. Boehner also has not taken a position publicly on the Senate proposal, though the two men met privately for about 40 minutes Wednesday afternoon.
 
I first read that and to argue the point, but I really can't find a better comparison....Marie Antoinette maybe...

Off to bed my friend, 0330 comes early.
Chat tomorrow.
Have a good evening.
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

You demand "evidence" that Obama "loves his country" knowing full well no answer will be good enough.

True. For some nothing he does nor what anyone says different will change their mind about him. For some, their minds were made up the moment he announced his candidacy for the presidency. For others, it was the moment he won. So, at this stage nothing he does will change things for him. Still, on this issue raised in the OP, I'm going to try one last time to talk sense to some folks.

patriot

noun

a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.

When then Sen. Obama chastised Pres. GW Bush for adding $90T to the national debt ...

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...what he was saying wasn't that Pres. GW Bush wasn't a patriot. He wasn't saying that Pres. GW Bush didn't love this country. What he was saying was "adding to the national debt the way he did wasn't in the best interest of the country". Now, what I find interesting about all those individuals who are trying hard to twist Pres. Obama's words to mean something they didn't is two-fold:

1) for everyone who proclaims that running debts and deficits are reckless, you'd be more in agreement with what Obama said back then.

2) I'll stand by this: Saying what someone did is unpatriotic (i.e., "irresponsible"...not in the best interest of the country) IS NOT the same as saying the person himself isn't a patriot (i.e., has no love for his country in this context).

The two are not the same. What Obama chastised GWB for was his actions. What Giuliani wrongly did was outright claim that Obama cares little for his country.
 
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