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Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

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Kobie said:
I don't think it was overtly racist; however, I don't think it's plausibly deniable that the GOP has tried to portray Obama as some shadowy other who's just not like us, in part because of his unconventional upbringing.
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I don't know many people that would openly seek out a flamethrower racist and America hater as Obama has, and sit in that Church of Odd and be mentored by the scum. In fact, most people would run from that poison, and rightly so. Not Obama... like a fly to a halogen light... he went right at it, and circled that light for 20-years. A light that is close to another hunk of poison called Louis Farrakhan.

I don't know many people with half a brain on a political path that would seek out and team up with a terrorist like Ayers.

Alinsky. Communist. Obama sought him out as well.

With just these, you draw a line back, and it connects to events in his youth.

The only thing shady in all this is the press running cover, and people sticking their heads in the sand after 6-years.
 
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zimmer said:
I don't know many people that would openly seek out a flamethrower racist and America hater as Obama has, and sit in that Church of Odd and be mentored by the scum. In fact, most people would run from that poison, and rightly so. Not Obama... like a fly to a halogen light... he went right at it, and circled that light for 20-years. A light that is close to another hunk of poison called Louis Farrakhan.

I don't know many people with half a brain on a political path that would seek out and team up with a terrorist like Ayers.

Alinsky. Communist. Obama sought him out as well.

With just these, you draw a line back, and it connects to events in his youth.

The only thing shady in all this is the press running cover, and people sticking their heads in the sand after 6-years.
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Just like they ran cover for Bush when he wanted to attack a country that hadn't done anything to us.
 
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I see you have no rebuttal about Obama.
Too late now. The Finns have a great saying... when the **** is in the pants, it's too late.
With Obama it's too late. But we can hopefully stop him from further destruction.

Montecresto said:
Just like they ran cover for Bush when he wanted to attack a country that hadn't done anything to us.
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More Lib ignorance on display.

The press attacked Bush every chance they got. It was relentless, and political. They did everything to bring down a popular president.
Today, that idiocy of which Obama had agreed with, has handcuffed Obama, and look at the ME now.

Saddam lost a war and didn't disarm, as he agreed to do.
During Clinton's years he sent Cohen to warn Americans what Anthrax and Sarin could do... in prep for war.
All leading Dems were on record warning about Saddam.
There were 17 UN Resolutions.
Oil for Food program was a massive corruption scheme assisting Saddam
There were terrosists in Iraq.

After 911... we couldn't sit around.
Bush went to the UN, and gave Saddam one last chance.

Even Hans Blix stated Saddam was uncooperative, and playing games.

In a closed society, you cannot know for sure what is going on... and at the same time we learned our intel on Iran was bad, as they had an 18-year nuke program.

After all these years, Libs mouthing the idiocy like your post above illustrates a pretty deep seated ignorance and a severe lack of intellectual curiosity or integrity.
 
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Much of the chaos in the ME is because of Bush and Chaney's war created a power vacuum. No sane person could be a fan of Saddam, but he did keep the lid on the religious fanatics. He's gone, as are other ME dictators, so that lid is off.

We Americans, especially the conservatives and NeoCons, think every other country in the world can be another America. That all countries can be and want to be a melting pot and they will happily embrace democracy. That's a fallacy.But the MIC loves the Cheney's and the NeoCons and the lemmings who believe in that nonsense.
 
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Kobie said:
I don't think it was overtly racist; however, I don't think it's plausibly deniable that the GOP has tried to portray Obama as some shadowy other who's just not like us, in part because of his unconventional upbringing.
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Saying something isn't overtly racist is simply a way of attempting to accuse another of racism in a manner that can't be disproven. All evidence to the contrary is (similar to conspiracy theories) "simply evidence of how covert it is".

Obama was raised unconventionally - why would he love America? None of his influences have loved America, they have disdained America.
 
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Montecresto said:
It's common knowledge by now that FDR was provoking Japan, hoping for an overt strike. Again, you may think that's what he should have done, that's a different debate. Point is, it was deceptive, and led Americans to believe that we had been coasting along, minding our own business, when out of the blue, and for no reason at all, Japan attacked us. It wasn't true, but it worked, and Americans got squarely behind him.
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Japan attacked the US because we refused to aid their genocide throughout Asia and the Pacific, only in the warped minds of the most delusional anti-American propagandists could refusing to provide aid for genocide be labeled as a an act of war or the action of an aggressor state.
 
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Objective Voice said:
I'm with you here. When did candidate Obama every publically state that President GW Bush didn't love America?


About 25 pages in and I still haven't seen a link that responds to the above accusation.

Gill,

You'll have to do better than falling back on the "it's common knowledge" defense. A link to a quote, please.
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Sorry, figured this was common knowledge to the people on this forum who tend to be knowledgeable of political happenings. Guess I was mistaken.

Now, let’s recall candidate Obama railing against President Bush in 2008: “The way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents, number 43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.”
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See more at: Bozell & Graham Column: Obama, The Very Worst Deficit President

And don't even attempt to claim that "unpatriotic" is not the same as "doesn't love America".

That won't fly.
 
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zimmer said:
I see you have no rebuttal about Obama.
Too late now. The Finns have a great saying... when the **** is in the pants, it's too late.
With Obama it's too late. But we can hopefully stop him from further destruction.



More Lib ignorance on display.

The press attacked Bush every chance they got. It was relentless, and political. They did everything to bring down a popular president.
Today, that idiocy of which Obama had agreed with, has handcuffed Obama, and look at the ME now.

Saddam lost a war and didn't disarm, as he agreed to do.
During Clinton's years he sent Cohen to warn Americans what Anthrax and Sarin could do... in prep for war.
All leading Dems were on record warning about Saddam.
There were 17 UN Resolutions.
Oil for Food program was a massive corruption scheme assisting Saddam
There were terrosists in Iraq.

After 911... we couldn't sit around.
Bush went to the UN, and gave Saddam one last chance.

Even Hans Blix stated Saddam was uncooperative, and playing games.

In a closed society, you cannot know for sure what is going on... and at the same time we learned our intel on Iran was bad, as they had an 18-year nuke program.

After all these years, Libs mouthing the idiocy like your post above illustrates a pretty deep seated ignorance and a severe lack of intellectual curiosity or integrity.
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There's no shortage of press attacking Obama either. It's just that in neither case does any of the press attack either for the real important stuff. The stuff that presidents do that diminish our safety, that seems to slip through the cracks.

And I'd love to work with you on stopping Obama from further damaging us, and wished I'd of had your help when I was doing the same with Bush.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Much of the chaos in the ME is because of Bush and Chaney's war created a power vacuum. No sane person could be a fan of Saddam, but he did keep the lid on the religious fanatics. He's gone, as are other ME dictators, so that lid is off.

We Americans, especially the conservatives and NeoCons, think every other country in the world can be another America. That all countries can be and want to be a melting pot and they will happily embrace democracy. That's a fallacy.But the MIC loves the Cheney's and the NeoCons and the lemmings who believe in that nonsense.
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The 'power vacuum' was created when Barrack Obama pulled the troops from Iraq. Prior to that there was no power vacuum whatsoever.
 
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Grant said:
The 'power vacuum' was created when Barrack Obama pulled the troops from Iraq. Prior to that there was no power vacuum whatsoever.
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There most certainly was a vacuum. And I won't even bring up the fact that it was Bush who put in motion removing American troops from Iraq. But IMO that really doesn't matter, personally I don't care if it was Bush's earlier agreement, or Obama that was the reason we left. The fact is we had to get out. 10+ years of Americans dying over there is enough. You wanted us there forever? Nope, not me.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Much of the chaos in the ME is because of Bush and Chaney's war created a power vacuum. No sane person could be a fan of Saddam, but he did keep the lid on the religious fanatics. He's gone, as are other ME dictators, so that lid is off.

We Americans, especially the conservatives and NeoCons, think every other country in the world can be another America. That all countries can be and want to be a melting pot and they will happily embrace democracy. That's a fallacy.But the MIC loves the Cheney's and the NeoCons and the lemmings who believe in that nonsense.
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You must be livid over the power vacuum left in Syria and Libya by Obama and Clinton.... right ??
 
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face said:
Japan attacked the US because we refused to aid their genocide throughout Asia and the Pacific, only in the warped minds of the most delusional anti-American propagandists could refusing to provide aid for genocide be labeled as a an act of war or the action of an aggressor state.
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That's insanity. And you've got plenty of company too. Japan didn't invite the American monkey on their back for no reason at all. They were provoked, the sanctions being the least of which. And alone they would have worked around. But FDR wasn't satisfied with simply shutting off supplies of any materials that might aid their imperialism, he didn't like their eye on resources that the US was already exploiting from their own adventurism in the South Pacific a half century earlier. The problem was a country that didn't care!!! And was 80% against another war. That was a huge impediment for FDR, but he persevered, and with every bit of intrigue, deceit and damaging provocation, he swung public opinion. If you want to make an argument that what FDR did was the right thing to do, that we should have militarily confronted Japan and stopped their imperialism, do it, but it's a different matter. I'm making the point, a point that many historians know, which is that FDR did in fact endeavor to draw the first overt (very important distinction there) attack to pull the color of legitimacy for an all out declaration of war.
 
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Montecresto said:
That's insanity. And you've got plenty of company too. Japan didn't invite the American monkey on their back for no reason at all. They were provoked, the sanctions being the least of which. And alone they would have worked around. But FDR wasn't satisfied with simply shutting off supplies of any materials that might aid their imperialism, he didn't like their eye on resources that the US was already exploiting from their own adventurism in the South Pacific a half century earlier. The problem was a country that didn't care!!! And was 80% against another war. That was a huge impediment for FDR, but he persevered, and with every bit of intrigue, deceit and damaging provocation, he swung public opinion. If you want to make an argument that what FDR did was the right thing to do, that we should have militarily confronted Japan and stopped their imperialism, do it, but it's a different matter. I'm making the point, a point that many historians know, which is that FDR did in fact endeavor to draw the first overt (very important distinction there) attack to pull the color of legitimacy for an all out declaration of war.
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And you've just told me you dont know your basic history.
 
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Gill said:
You must be livid over the power vacuum left in Syria and Libya by Obama and Clinton.... right ??
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Yep, I am.. They made mistakes too. Are you livid about President Cheney's war in Iraq, and the lies that got us there? And the problems that war has created in the ME? I'm mad about it all, and all the meddling we've done that have destabilized the region.
 
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Montecresto said:
That's insanity. And you've got plenty of company too. Japan didn't invite the American monkey on their back for no reason at all. They were provoked, the sanctions being the least of which. And alone they would have worked around. But FDR wasn't satisfied with simply shutting off supplies of any materials that might aid their imperialism, he didn't like their eye on resources that the US was already exploiting from their own adventurism in the South Pacific a half century earlier. The problem was a country that didn't care!!! And was 80% against another war. That was a huge impediment for FDR, but he persevered, and with every bit of intrigue, deceit and damaging provocation, he swung public opinion. If you want to make an argument that what FDR did was the right thing to do, that we should have militarily confronted Japan and stopped their imperialism, do it, but it's a different matter. I'm making the point, a point that many historians know, which is that FDR did in fact endeavor to draw the first overt (very important distinction there) attack to pull the color of legitimacy for an all out declaration of war.
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Let me guess... you are one of those folks that think FDR caused Pearl Harbor on purpose just to draw us into the war right ??

Now, on 9/11, are you a proponent of LIHOP or MIHOP ??
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
There most certainly was a vacuum. And I won't even bring up the fact that it was Bush who put in motion removing American troops from Iraq. But IMO that really doesn't matter, personally I don't care if it was Bush's earlier agreement, or Obama that was the reason we left. The fact is we had to get out. 10+ years of Americans dying over there is enough. You wanted us there forever? Nope, not me.
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Really? There were no concerns expressed about any 'power vacuum' in Iraq or anywhere in the Middle East while the military was in Iraq. Only after BHO became President and removed the troops, and previous leaders like Gaddafi, was this 'power vacuum' created.

It's just as well you didn't make the claim that "it was Bush who put in motion removing American troops from Iraq". That would only magnify your lack of knowledge in this area.
 
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Grant said:
That won't fly because you say it won't?

Of course an 'unpatriotic' person cannot love their country. I can't see how you can define it any other way.

And keep in mind that it was a presidential candidate who made this charge, not someone with no political office or with any overt interest in higher office.

It is this sort of partisan blindness and the deliberate avoidance of reality that got an inexperienced BHO elected and why we see the problems we share in the world today.
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I have no clue what you are claiming.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep, I am.. They made mistakes too. Are you livid about President Cheney's war in Iraq, and the lies that got us there? And the problems that war has created in the ME? I'm mad about it all, and all the meddling we've done that have destabilized the region.
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I'm not following that far off topic, but I hope you are aware that most of the world believed Saddam had WMDs. In fact, they recently found a pretty big cache of hidden WMDs in Iraq.
 
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Gill said:
Let me guess... you are one of those folks that think FDR caused Pearl Harbor on purpose just to draw us into the war right ??

Now, on 9/11, are you a proponent of LIHOP or MIHOP ??
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To the bolded,, I'm sorry the post you quoted lacked the clarity that caused you to have to guess.
 
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Montecresto said:
To the bolded,, I'm sorry the post you quoted lacked the clarity that caused you to have to guess.
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No problem... I figured you were one of those conspiracy types.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Montecresto said:
There's no shortage of press attacking Obama either.
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The press has run cover for Obama. It's how this anti-American got elected. How does someone with such thin credentials get elected? Geraldine Ferraro told us why.

Those who doing so-called reporting have been propagandists, not reporters. Susan Roesgen was the poster child.

Sharyl Attkisson has revealed how they operate, as had Bernie Goldberg before her.

Journ-O-lists... that was a group of propagandists who coordinated their messages daily. That is not jounalism, that's advocacy... propaganda.

Howard Fineman revealed this long before Obama came around, and well... they simply ramped things up when the teleprompteur reader entered the scene.

Fineman: 'Mainstream Media Party' is over - politics - Howard Fineman | NBC News

The 'Media Party' is over

A political party is dying before our eyes — and I don't mean the Democrats. I'm talking about the "mainstream media,"

The AMMP, meanwhile, is regarded with ever growing suspicion by American voters, viewers and readers, who increasingly turn for information and analysis only to non-AMMP outlets that tend to reinforce the sectarian views of discrete slices of the electorate.

Still, the notion of a neutral, non-partisan mainstream press... it's pretty much dead... The seeds of its demise were sown with the best of intentions in the late 1960s, when the AMMP was founded in good measure (and ironically enough) by CBS.

The crusades of Vietnam and Watergate seemed like a good idea at the time, even a noble one, not only to the press but perhaps to a majority of Americans. The problem was that, once the AMMP declared its existence by taking sides, there was no going back. A party was born.

It was not accident that the birth coincided with an identity crisis in the Democratic Party... Into the vacuum came the AMMP, which became the new forum for choosing Democratic candidates.
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