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Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

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Moreover, the judge only stayed that portion of the EO that affects illegal immigrant parents, not the EO in its entirety.
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Why did he even issue the temporary injunction? He was pretty specific. He saw something really smelly.
After all, Obama himself never thought he could do it until the day he thought he could. That's some Constitutional professor we have there.
Can you just picture that forehead-smacking day when he said to himself "What was I thinking ... of course I can grant amnesty through an Executive Order."

Is it the fact that federal spending under Obama exceeded that which GWB spent? Yeah, I know that already. But that wasn't the issue now was it?

But ... you posted the video which was about ... yup, the national debt and W being unpatriotic. So, what I'm saying is, you brought it up so you must have thought it was an issue.


There's a difference between saying someone is "unpatriotic" and saying "they don't love their country". Being purposely ignorant of the clear difference between the two...that's priceless!

Nope ... no difference
Adj. 1. unpatriotic - showing lack of love for your country.
You can look it up.

Yes. For one thing, bringing up Bush in this case is nothing more than a deflective tactic often employed by folks who know they're losing their argument.

Then you shouldn't have posted the W video.

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He was quick to say he believes that Pres. Obama is a "patriot", but right behind that he condemns his love for country. How can you be a patriot for your country and not love your country? Do you see the irony is that? ...

Yes I do. I agree. It's a distinction without a difference ... as already noted in this very comment ... which you've now agreed with.
Rudy should have just not tried to split hairs that aren't there.


Depending on what actions he was referring to. But I certainly wouldn't have said the man didn't love his country, not unless he actually did something that clearly demonstrated that he hated his country, i.e., burn the U.S. flag or a copy of the Constitution or sell government secrets or resigned the Presidency and move to another country renouncing his U.S. citizenship. You know, clear signs that he does not love his country instead of spouting off some partisan, rhetorical non-sense.

Well that last speculation might be answered sooner than we'd all like.
e.g.
How about if Iran gets the bomb?
How about if Putin gobbles up Ukraine like he gobbled up Crimea?
Illegal alien amnesty for 5 million?

What would those things tell you?
 
Yes, it is nice but it’s also an opinion. Feel free to prove me wrong if you don’t agree with it.

And I said your opinion is a nice opinion, but it is just that. I don't believe one could prove that Obama loves America, or doesn't love America. Prove that Giuliani loves America, prove that you love America.
 
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Well that last speculation might be answered sooner than we'd all like.
e.g.
How about if Iran gets the bomb?
How about if Putin gobbles up Ukraine like he gobbled up Crimea?
Illegal alien amnesty for 5 million?

What would those things tell you?

Folks have tried to frighten us that Iran is going to get a "bomb" in 3 years if we don't do something, for at least 25 years now. Both US and Israeli intelligence have stated that in fact Iran is not pursuing such, and hasn't even decided to pursue such. We here this nonsense only from politicians who have something to gain by the fear mongering.
 
I saw that speech live on TV and couldn't believe she said that and that the press never questioned her about it. Absolutely unbelievable statement from a First Lady.

They obviously were too busy keeping Fox News and any other conservative media outlet chained up in the back of the room.
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

Are you referring to this video:



If so, he didn't say GW Bush was unpatriotic. He said his actions for borrowing trillions from China and running up the national debt was "irresponsible and unpatriotic". There's a difference between calling out someone for their deeds versus their character.


You're spinning.
 
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Folks have tried to frighten us that Iran is going to get a "bomb" in 3 years if we don't do something, for at least 25 years now. Both US and Israeli intelligence have stated that in fact Iran is not pursuing such, and hasn't even decided to pursue such. We here this nonsense only from politicians who have something to gain by the fear mongering.
Oh Monte Monte Monte ... ya know I love you like a brother ... but the notion that Iran is doing all they're doing now because they DON'T intend to develop a nuclear weapon is pretty preposterous.
Look, a Quaker news website may have said such things and even quoted Administration officials from 2+ years ago , has no relevance 3 years later.
Why do you think even Obama (and the rest of the non-muslim world) is at least showing concern?
Granted, its his version of concern, but there it is anyway.

And for the record, some who years ago thought they wouldn't go for the bomb have changed their mind.
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

No, he's not. For example I could say your post is stupid.

It doesn't mean *you* are stupid.

Understand?

So, if I called a post racist, that wouldn't mean the poster is racist?

I'll remember you said that. I'll make damn sure to bookmark this post. ;)
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

And I said your opinion is a nice opinion, but it is just that. I don't believe one could prove that Obama loves America, or doesn't love America. Prove that Giuliani loves America, prove that you love America.

Well that's certainly true.
Proof of being unpatriotic requires more than we have about either of those gentlemen now.
Until one of them is captured demonstrating it in a captured moment of candor, we'll have to muddle along examining what they do relative to what we perceive to be our traditional national interests.
But even given that, be prepared for some hefty equivocation by some.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Oh Monte Monte Monte ... ya know I love you like a brother ... but the notion that Iran is doing all they're doing now because they DON'T intend to develop a nuclear weapon is pretty preposterous.
Look, a Quaker news website may have said such things and even quoted Administration officials from 2+ years ago , has no relevance 3 years later.
Why do you think even Obama (and the rest of the non-muslim world) is at least showing concern?
Granted, its his version of concern, but there it is anyway.

And for the record, some who years ago thought they wouldn't go for the bomb have changed their mind.

Thanks for the love bro, right back at ya!!! So I don't believe its a "notion" that Iran isn't building a nuclear weapons program, but the conclusions of both US and Israeli intelligence. Its pointless of you to argue with me, when if you don't believe it, your argument is with them, the ones that have declared it.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Well that's certainly true.
Proof of being unpatriotic requires more than we have about either of those gentlemen now.
Until one of them is captured demonstrating it in a captured moment of candor, we'll have to muddle along examining what they do relative to what we perceive to be our traditional national interests.
But even given that, be prepared for some hefty equivocation by some.

I hear that. Being in the Medical billing business, I can tell you that the PPACA has very good beneficial elements to it, that are having very real and positive effects on Americans, and helping as such isn't what you could consider showing a lack of love or even just liking of America. (Btw, as with anything as cumbersome as the American bureaucracy has become, any roll out (the DHS) is going to have glitches as well as elements that were born out of compromise when being passed)
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Thanks for the love bro, right back at ya!!! So I don't believe its a "notion" that Iran isn't building a nuclear weapons program, but the conclusions of both US and Israeli intelligence. Its pointless of you to argue with me, when if you don't believe it, your argument is with them, the ones that have declared it.

Like I tried to say in that comment ... I haven't seen anyone say they don't want to go nuclear for years.
What's the most recent analysis you saw?
I swear, I saw something from Al Jazeera <sic>, I think it was, that noted Bibi's predecessor as having said he changed his mind, Iran's intention was indeed to go nuclear.
Bottom line, Iran has a fundy leadership and really doesn't like Israel being so close ... or existing.
So if Obama can't stop Iran, we have to figure who will.

Getting any snow today? Looks like it from what I've seen in the reports.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

I hear that. Being in the Medical billing business,
I can tell you that the PPACA has very good beneficial elements to it,
that are having very real and positive effects on Americans, and helping as such isn't what you could consider showing a lack of love or even just liking of America. (Btw, as with anything as cumbersome as the American bureaucracy has become, any roll out (the DHS) is going to have glitches as well as elements that were born out of compromise when being passed)


Funny you mention O'care.
Remember that grainy video of him saying they can't get to Single Payer right away?
That's the kind of captured moment of candor I was talking about.
He never said such a thing for public consumption.
Say what you will about the man, he knows his audience and tailors the message accordingly.
 
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Like I tried to say in that comment ... I haven't seen anyone say they don't want to go nuclear for years.
What's the most recent analysis you saw?
I swear, I saw something from Al Jazeera <sic>, I think it was, that noted Bibi's predecessor as having said he changed his mind, Iran's intention was indeed to go nuclear.
Bottom line, Iran has a fundy leadership and really doesn't like Israel being so close ... or existing.
So if Obama can't stop Iran, we have to figure who will.

Getting any snow today? Looks like it from what I've seen in the reports.

To the bolded.

U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb
U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb - Los Angeles Times

U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/wo...bomb.html?_r=0

Is Anybody Listening?
U.S. Intel Chief Says Iran Isn't Building Nukes.
U.S. Intel Chief Says Iran Isn't Building Nukes.

U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons
FCNL: U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons

US/Israel: Iran NOT Building Nukes
January 24, 2012

https://consortiumnews.com/2012/01/2...uilding-nukes/

U.S. still believes Iran not on verge of nuclear weapon
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8781GS20120809


'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon'
'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News | Haaretz

Israeli Intelligence Agrees With U.S. And IAEA That Iran Has Not Decided On Nuke Weapons
http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...us-iaea-nukes/

There is snow falling at my Ranch in eastern Oklahoma, but I'm at my lake house in Hot Springs Arkansas and there's nothing happening here. How about with you?
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Funny you mention O'care.
Remember that grainy video of him saying they can't get to Single Payer right away?
That's the kind of captured moment of candor I was talking about.
He never said such a thing for public consumption.
Say what you will about the man, he knows his audience and tailors the message accordingly.

That can be said of every politician. Btw, we are helping doctors implement PPACA requirements, the Heritage foundation (a right wing think tank) wrote much of what's in the 2,500 pages of it, a republican governor implemented the same program in a N.E. State, and the (presently right leaning) Supreme Court has upheld it as constitutional. Do not think big business in the form of insurance companies aren't also beneficiaries, nor that republicans haven't got their fingerprints on it. The public protestations and hand wringing over it is political play.
 
I saw that speech live on TV and couldn't believe she said that and that the press never questioned her about it. Absolutely unbelievable statement from a First Lady.
Much os the media is left wing self loathers anyway. They'd be be pleased that a First Lady, though not without the blessing of her husband and handlers, finally spoke The Truth. Obama's later made speeches about "American Arrogance", as an example, to foreign leaders.
 
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To the bolded.

U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb
U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb - Los Angeles Times

U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/wo...bomb.html?_r=0

Is Anybody Listening?
U.S. Intel Chief Says Iran Isn't Building Nukes.
U.S. Intel Chief Says Iran Isn't Building Nukes.

U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons
FCNL: U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons

US/Israel: Iran NOT Building Nukes
January 24, 2012

https://consortiumnews.com/2012/01/2...uilding-nukes/

U.S. still believes Iran not on verge of nuclear weapon
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8781GS20120809


'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon'
'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News | Haaretz

Israeli Intelligence Agrees With U.S. And IAEA That Iran Has Not Decided On Nuke Weapons
http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...us-iaea-nukes/

There is snow falling at my Ranch in eastern Oklahoma, but I'm at my lake house in Hot Springs Arkansas and there's nothing happening here. How about with you?

Saw most of those and they were from over 2 years ago.
The ThinkProgress page wasn't available ... was it an old one also?

I'm betting all their analyses wouldn't be the same today.

We got our snow yesterday.
Manageable but still a pain.
Brudda, I want winter over.
 
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And people wonder why Rudy could say Obama doesn't love America. :doh
If he loved America why would get his countriess many trillionns of dollars in debt, an action that cause him to call George Bush "Unpatriotic" for doing much less.

Giuliani is correct in his observation and the real question is why the media and the lefties are making such a fuss of it?
 
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Saw most of those and they were from over 2 years ago.
The ThinkProgress page wasn't available ... was it an old one also?

I'm betting all their analyses wouldn't be the same today.

We got our snow yesterday.
Manageable but still a pain.
Brudda, I want winter over.


Lol, I hear that. Update, it just started snowing here now!! I posted the most recent intelligence estimates out there. The point being, the handwringing over Iran has been going on for YEARS, and while it was, both Israeli and US intelligence agencies were saying what I've posted for you. That Iran is not building a nuclear weapons program, and hasn't even decided to. So, with Russia, Iran, Israeli intelligence and US intelligence all denying such a program exists, then why is it that you and others are claiming that it does?
 
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Lol, I hear that. Update, it just started snowing here now!! I posted the most recent intelligence estimates out there. The point being, the handwringing over Iran has been going on for YEARS, and while it was, both Israeli and US intelligence agencies were saying what I've posted for you. That Iran is not building a nuclear weapons program, and hasn't even decided to.
So, with Russia, Iran, Israeli intelligence and US intelligence all denying such a program exists, then why is it that you and others are claiming that it does?
Right ... but that analyses was from 3 years ago.
Why does Obama & Kerry et al think they might be?
Current analysis seems to say it is.
You really don't think they are?
 
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Right ... but that analyses was from 3 years ago.
Why does Obama & Kerry et al think they might be?
Current analysis seems to say it is.
You really don't think they are?

No, I really don't, and all manor of handwringing over Saddam's alleged stockpiles of WMD, with delivery systems that could produce a mushroom cloud over a US city, was never a concern to me either. As a matter of fact, nobody in the world threatens me, except when our governments advance policies that piss other people off and make them hate me for being an American, and wish to chop my head off. And when I read NIE's like the one produced during the Bush administration that concluded that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has aggravated and emboldened terrorism around the world, and made me less safe, it reinforces that sentiment. So, my government needs to STOP doing things that are compromising my security.
 
Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

Right ... but that analyses was from 3 years ago.
Why does Obama & Kerry et al think they might be?
Current analysis seems to say it is.
You really don't think they are?

Okay, okay. Maybe just one nuke. A little one. One like we used on Hiroshima. Nothing big, for heaven's sake. They don't pose an existential threat to us. Say we lost, uh, Birmingham, Alabama. Who'd cry?
 
The point is that no Republican, including Scott Walker who was present, have criticized Rudy the idiot's comments at all. Guiliani's criticism of the President's family is particularly hilarious, considering his own family history. I'd say that the President's family is a hell of a lot more admirable than Rudy's.

http://www.nydailynews.com/wayne-barrett-rudy-giuliani-love-article-1.2122253

What does Rudy's family have to do with this? Are you reducing yourself to Rudy's level by attacking his family when your issue is with him?

Rudy owns his words. It's partisan to expect other people to speak out. Rudy is an adult. He doesn't answer to anyone. Don't like his words? Fine. But don't be partisan and apply them to others.

Are you responsible for the words of every idiot Liberal?
 
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C,mon Tres, it's a common meme for the far right. Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Beck etc, have all inferred that he was, is a Muslim. Watch this brief video by Michael Smerconish (a republican) He nails it.

Giuliani stands by Obama comments - CNN.com

Smerconish isn't a Republican. He famously came out in support of Obama in 2008 and announced in 2010 that he was leaving the Republican party. Why are you wasting my time with a partisan video?

So these people you mention "inferred" he's a Muslim. So?
 
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Right ... but that analyses was from 3 years ago.
Why does Obama & Kerry et al think they might be?
Current analysis seems to say it is.
You really don't think they are?

Why does Canada dismiss it? Ottawa has been opposed to Obama's plan from the outset and still maintains Iran is a threat.
 
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