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Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

Re: Giuliani, what a freak

Like when Obama called Bush unpatriotic?

Are you referring to this video:



If so, he didn't say GW Bush was unpatriotic. He said his actions for borrowing trillions from China and running up the national debt was "irresponsible and unpatriotic". There's a difference between calling out someone for their deeds versus their character.
 
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Giuliani wants to keep himself semi-relevant to the Republican/Tea Party. Since none of his ideas or policy thoughts will do that, he does it by gaining cheap headlines. It is all an ego trip for Rudy.

I hadn't realized that Rudy Giuliani made that comment at a fundraising event for Scott Walker's presidential bid. Now, I get what all the fuss is really about and why so many people are asking Walker for his take on Giuliani's comment. It's somewhat on the same line as Congressman Scalise having once spoke at a David Duke/KKK sponsored event or the same "guilt by association" line folks equate to Pres. Obama and Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers.

If it's acceptable to question Scalise and the President along such associative lines, it's perfectly acceptable to ask Gov. Walker if he agrees with Giuliani's comments about the President's love for country.

I agree with Longshot Lou, however. Giuliani and Bobby Jindal are both just reaching at anything to make themselves stay relevant.
 
he did rather well in taking down the Mafia families.... though not everyone see that as a positive.

Well, that and his handling of the 9/11 attack in NYC. Other than that, I really don't know of anything else he's done. Of course, I don't live in NY. So, I'll defer to New Yorkers to judge him for better or worse. That said, he's not winning me over by continuing to throw his influence around. He should be more like Bloomberg and do his work behind the scenes.
 
He is no longer a mayor. So he will go for some cheap thrills.
 
It was a legitimate observation and the left is in panic mode. His sycophants are wetting themselves because this Hope and Changer had his love of country questioned?

Others have been saying that for years and now they finally notice?

No opinion on the character - or lack thereof - of his accuser in chief?

I have to admit it gets tiresome listening to the Far Right label anybody who isn't one of them un-American and un-Patriotic. It's bull****, of course, but they keep trying. Thankfully this sort of crap turns off those in the middle who you need to win a Presidential election. I hope they keep it up.
 
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Actually I've brought more. You just skim over them without response so you can kiss your friends in here while saying ridiculous herp derp generalities with your boys.

You brought nothing but a ridiculous lame prediction.

Bitter about losing the senate I see.
 
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And that has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said whatsoever... no surprises here. :lol:

No surprises that you side step reality since it doesn't fit your agenda. Oh well...
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

We can have this debate in another thread if you'd like. Just pick any of the ones already started and we can go from there.
Who said anything about another thread?
There can be no thread wherein Unconstitutional Executive Orders can be considered Constitutional.
When I said you could stop I meant because if you talk crazy like that right off the bat there's no point going on.
Unless you can show me in the Constitution that such extra-Constitutional politically driven acts are allowed.

One other thing.

Ya know that video you posted where Obama said W was unpatriotic because he doubled the national debt ... to below $10T?
I posted that video somewhere too because the irony fairly jumps off the screen ... for most people.
Take a guess why that is.

Then your distinction between what Obama said about W and what Rudy said about Obama was priceless.
Were you serious?
If Rudy said Obama's actions were unpatriotic you would have been okay with it?
 
“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

Read more: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn

Giuliani says President Obama doesn't love America - Videos - CBS News

Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.

I agree with Giuliani: I don't think Obama loves America. I don't think leftists love America either.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064345529 said:
You brought nothing but a ridiculous lame prediction.

Bitter about losing the senate I see.

I'd inform you to go back and watch the vid and link I brought but you've already decided to go childish so I don't expect any kind of honest debate from you.

Bitter? :lol:

nah... I pray the republicans grow the nuts to fully remove the filibuster. They need to own their work. They are gonna have a hard time trying to blame everyone else now that they have control of both houses.
 
I agree with Giuliani: I don't think Obama loves America. I don't think leftists love America either.

Another "herp derp libruls bad herp derp" poster. Just wonderful.
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

I am no Obama fan as POTUS.

But Giuliani is, imo, as dumb as a post. His opinions mean almost nothing to me except for a laugh.
 
Who said anything about another thread?
There can be no thread wherein Unconstitutional Executive Orders can be considered Constitutional.
When I said you could stop I meant because if you talk crazy like that right off the bat there's no point going on.
Unless you can show me in the Constitution that such extra-Constitutional politically driven acts are allowed.

What I was talking about was process government, something that clearly eludes you. As for the constitutionality of the President's EO's, we'll just have to take a "wait and see" approach to this one since the ruling by Judge Hanen, US District Court, was only a temporary stay and not an out right ruling for or against the EO. Moreover, the judge only stayed that portion of the EO that affects illegal immigrant parents, not the EO in its entirety. Appeals are certainly forthcoming and depending on how the Appeals Court rules, the matter could go to the SCOTUS. Now, do I think the President over-reached here? Yes, but not any more than GHW Bush did when he allowed illegal aliens to stay in the US as long as they where sponsored by and living with a legal resident alien or a US citizen at the time their citizenship application or work visa was being processed. And he did all that via EO.

Of course, Reagan authorized the LARGEST amnesty pool of illegal aliens in U.S. history and he gets a pass because he happened to get his amnesty passed by Congress. I often wonder what tic's Republicans off more about this issue:

1) the fact that they don't want to be seen as repeating past mistakes on immigration issues; or,

2) the fact that the President is trying to act where they won't.

One other thing.

Ya know that video you posted where Obama said W was unpatriotic because he doubled the national debt ... to below $10T?
I posted that video somewhere too because the irony fairly jumps off the screen ... for most people.
Take a guess why that is.
Is it the fact that federal spending under Obama exceeded that which GWB spent? Yeah, I know that already. But that wasn't the issue now was it?

Then your distinction between what Obama said about W and what Rudy said about Obama was priceless.
There's a difference between saying someone is "unpatriotic" and saying "they don't love their country". Being purposely ignorant of the clear difference between the two...that's priceless!

Were you serious?
Yes. For one thing, bringing up Bush in this case is nothing more than a deflective tactic often employed by folks who know they're losing their argument. So, they have to do something to change the subject. But to be clear, pointing out what someone did and calling it "un-American (i.e, "unpatriotic") is very different from claiming someone doesn't love their native country because "[t]he[y] didn't grow up through love of this country as you and I did". Or claiming that he doesn't love this country simply because he acknowledges to the world many of the mistakes we've made in foreign policy. And notice what Giuliani did? He was quick to say he believes that Pres. Obama is a "patriot", but right behind that he condemns his love for country. How can you be a patriot for your country and not love your country? Do you see the irony is that? If not, you clearly missed it. Perhaps because you're wearing partisan colored glasses. :roll:

If Rudy said Obama's actions were unpatriotic you would have been okay with it?

Depending on what actions he was referring to. But I certainly wouldn't have said the man didn't love his country, not unless he actually did something that clearly demonstrated that he hated his country, i.e., burn the U.S. flag or a copy of the Constitution or sell government secrets or resigned the Presidency and move to another country renouncing his U.S. citizenship. You know, clear signs that he does not love his country instead of spouting off some partisan, rhetorical non-sense.
 
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I'd inform you to go back and watch the vid and link I brought but you've already decided to go childish so I don't expect any kind of honest debate from you.

Bitter? :lol:

nah... I pray the republicans grow the nuts to fully remove the filibuster. They need to own their work. They are gonna have a hard time trying to blame everyone else now that they have control of both houses.

Since when has there been an honest debate from liberals? Like your video that reflects your dogma?

People didn't show up to vote because they are tired of Obama's and the rest of the liberal left's :bs

Apparently you still embrace it though.
 
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Well, that and his handling of the 9/11 attack in NYC. Other than that, I really don't know of anything else he's done. Of course, I don't live in NY. So, I'll defer to New Yorkers to judge him for better or worse. That said, he's not winning me over by continuing to throw his influence around. He should be more like Bloomberg and do his work behind the scenes.

that's a fair assessment/opinion.
 
I agree with Giuliani: I don't think Obama loves America. I don't think leftists love America either.

Think Michelle Obama loves America?

Speaking in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."

Michelle Obama: “For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I’m Really Proud of My Country” - ABC News

Apparently Americans were ready for a change in the 2014 mid-term elections. Thank God.
 
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Another "herp derp libruls bad herp derp" poster. Just wonderful.

News flash for the nube with a tude: Might want to rethink that canned insult. I know it bolsters your post count and I know nubes like you think respect is all about post count and likes received/given but I have no respect for pointless, mindless, troll posts such as this.

Feel free to engage in dialogue but don’t expect respect if you’re limited to Argumentum ad Hominem.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064346266 said:

:doh

You can dislike something your country has done (or a series of things) or even be ashamed of how your country has dealt with certain things on the world stage and still have a deep love for your country. For example, I'm not very proud of how our government handled things during Vietnam (from a historical perspective since was far too young to go to war back then) and that little episode of Japanese internment was a black eye on our country, too. Necessary, perhaps, but not a very proud moment in American history. But that in no way means I don't love me country. If either were the case, I would never have joined the Navy and served my country for 16 years.

To put things in a more personal, if not more humanistic, perspective: I can ashamed of (or not very proud) of my child's actions (i.e., cheating on a test by stealing the teacher's copy of the exam), but that in no way means I don't love my child. Just means he didn't make me very proud of his actions at the moment.
 
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:doh

You can dislike something your country has done (or a series of things) or even be ashamed of how your country has dealt with certain things on the world stage and still have a deep love for your country. For example, I'm not very proud of how our government handled things during Vietnam (from a historical perspective since was far too young to go to war back then) and that little episode of Japanese internment was a black eye on our country, too. Necessary, perhaps, but not a very proud moment in American history. But that in no way means I don't love me country. If either were the case, I would never have joined the Navy and served my country for 16 years.

To put things in a more personal, if not more humanistic, perspective: I can ashamed of (or not very proud) of my child's actions (i.e., cheating on a test by stealing the teacher's copy of the exam), but that in no way means I don't love my child. Just means he didn't make me very proud of his actions at the moment.

Michelle is not a child and owns her words, which BTW, do not reflect love for her country. Think her husband, by his criticism of the USA and never saying he loves it, shows his love like one would to a petulant child. I don't think so.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064346425 said:
Michelle is not a child and owns her words, which BTW, do not reflect love for her country. Think her husband, by his criticism of the USA and never saying he loves it, shows his love like one would to a petulant child. I don't think so.

And people wonder why Rudy could say Obama doesn't love America. :doh
 
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