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Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

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“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

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http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/giuliani-says-obama-does-not-love-america/

Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.
 
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It's the classic fascistic notion of the partisans.

"You don't believe as I do, therefore you don't love this country".
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

Read more: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn

Giuliani says President Obama doesn't love America - Videos - CBS News

Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.


I believe Obama loves his country, but you on the other hand have compared every genocidal maniac from Hitler to Mao unfavorably to the US, but then again your patriotism is directed toward the fascist Russian Federation and dear leader Putin is it not comrade?
 
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you should include his "clarifications" on his initial comments....and i'm not sure why the OP didn't include them.

here are his "clarifications"

“Well, first of all, I’m not questioning his patriotism. He’s a patriot, I’m sure,” the former mayor of New York said on “Fox and Friends” Thursday morning. “What I’m saying is, in his rhetoric, I very rarely hear the things that I used to hear Ronald Reagan say, the things that I used to hear Bill Clinton say about how much he loves America.”

“I do hear him criticize America much more often than other American presidents,” he told the morning show hosts. “And when it’s not in the context of an overwhelming number of statements about the exceptionalism of America, it sounds like he’s more of a critic than he is a supporter.”

and of course.. another of his attacks
Giuliani also mentioned Iran, which he called “part of the Islamic extremist movement” as well.
“If you refuse to say that there are extremist members of the Islamic religion, well then, it sounds like you’re living on Mars,” he said.

take from them what you will....
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

I believe Obama loves his country, but you on the other hand have compared every genocidal maniac from Hitler to Mao unfavorably to the US, but then again your patriotism is directed toward the fascist Russian Federation and dear leader Putin is it not comrade?

So you find Giuliani's comment unacceptable, I'm glad. Quote me comparing Mao and Hitler to Obama.
 
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So you find Giuliani's comment unacceptable, I'm glad. Quote me comparing Mao and Hitler to Obama.

Not Obama but to the US:

Oh boy, it's been the Germans and the Japanese and the Soviets and the Vietnamese, and the Chinese, and the Iranians and the Iraqis and the Syrians and the Libyans and........I'm sure I'm leaving somebody out. Main beneficiary to all this continual fear mongering and conflict, the MIC....

...probably everyone of them threatened US hegemony, and US business, I'll not deny that.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...easingly-see-russia-threat-top-u-s-enemy.html
 
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“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

Read more: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn

Giuliani says President Obama doesn't love America - Videos - CBS News

Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.
Got your marching orders and your out doing your part, do you get bonus points for multiple sources?
 
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Got your marching orders and your out doing your part, do you get bonus points for multiple sources?

Any comments on Mr. Giuliani's accusations?
 
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Any comments on Mr. Giuliani's accusations?

I somewhat agree with them... in terms of Obama being more critic than supporter... he is definitely more critic than supporter, at least in his rhetoric.

as for " loving his country" .. I think it's absurd to say he doesn't love his country...I think he loves some parts of it more than others (he doesn't seem to have much use or love for the areas that didn't vote for him)... but overall he loves the country.
 
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Has Obama ever SAID he loves the United States?

The answer to that seems relevant.
 
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you should include his "clarifications" on his initial comments....and i'm not sure why the OP didn't include them.

here are his "clarifications"





and of course.. another of his attacks


take from them what you will....



Ah.....the whole perspective eh Thrilla. :2wave: Note: how that puts the beginner class in check.
 
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Another fail. That post was mocking the countries that the American people have been frightened into believing were a threat to us at one time or another.

Absolutely not a fail, first you implied that they were made up threats, then you claimed it was the fault of the US attempting to maintain its hegemony as opposed to the actions of Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc, then you made apologetics and moral equivalencies for them especially Japan.
 
“I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

Read more: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn

Giuliani says President Obama doesn't love America - Videos - CBS News

Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.

I don't think Rudy should have said what he did. I think it was a pretty petty and disingenuous of him. But what does Scott Walker have to do with anything?
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

I somewhat agree with them... in terms of Obama being more critic than supporter... he is definitely more critic than supporter, at least in his rhetoric.

as for " loving his country" .. I think it's absurd to say he doesn't love his country...I think he loves some parts of it more than others (he doesn't seem to have much use or love for the areas that didn't vote for him)... but overall he loves the country.
I think what so many people don't understand is that "loving your country" doesn't mean wanting it to stay exactly the way it is. I notice this far more with those on the right...they think that working to make America better means you don't love America, because you want it to be better than it is today.

Loving America doesn't mean to never strive to make it better. Loving America includes what has always made America great which is the potential for a better tomorrow. Change can happen in the United States. Change NEEDS to happen, constantly, in the United States. That is also showing you love America.
 
Re: Giuliani, what a freak

I somewhat agree with them... in terms of Obama being more critic than supporter... he is definitely more critic than supporter, at least in his rhetoric.

as for " loving his country" .. I think it's absurd to say he doesn't love his country...I think he loves some parts of it more than others (he doesn't seem to have much use or love for the areas that didn't vote for him)... but overall he loves the country.

Critique and dissent of US policy doesn't mean you don't like your country, the framers made sure that that was clear. It seems that there's no end to the vitriol we hear about Obama, our president, from those that claim to love America.
 
I don't think Rudy should have said what he did. I think it was a pretty petty and disingenuous of him. But what does Scott Walker have to do with anything?

Oh Scott Walkers got no responsibility whatsoever for Giuliani's asinine comment. But he was there, and if I'm him, I'm privately up Giuliani's ass about it. Men and women running, or thinking about running for president don't want association with such idiotic rhetoric. Otherwise, I didn't intend that Giuliani's comment is reflective of Scott Walker.
 
Oh Scott Walkers got no responsibility whatsoever for Giuliani's asinine comment. But he was there, and if I'm him, I'm privately up Giuliani's ass about it. Men and women running, or thinking about running for president don't want association with such idiotic rhetoric. Otherwise, I didn't intend that Giuliani's comment is reflective of Scott Walker.

There's no more reason to associate Walker with Giuliani's words than there is to associate Hillary Clinton with the words of any idiot Democrat. I don't know why Walker would have a right to take Giuliani to task for his words. Giuliani owns his words, and nobody else.

Saying stupid things and having to walk them back seem to be a pattern among politicians. This will be front page news until the next one makes stupid comments, or some kid falls down a well.

Too bad, I like Rudy too. I just think he's been around long enough to know he shouldn't make a statement about what he thinks is in someone else's mind or heart.
 
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Absolutely not a fail, first you implied that they were made up threats, then you claimed it was the fault of the US attempting to maintain its hegemony as opposed to the actions of Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc, then you made apologetics and moral equivalencies for them especially Japan.

Stop lying. In no post have I mentioned Stalin or Mao, except to CORRECT you for accusing me of it. I also haven't "apologised" for Japan, I have however repeatedly pointed out, that Japan had no scheme devised of attacking the US, until AFTER economic war and other provocations from FDR. do keep things accurate, if that's possible.
 
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There's no more reason to associate Walker with Giuliani's words than there is to associate Hillary Clinton with the words of any idiot Democrat. I don't know why Walker would have a right to take Giuliani to task for his words. Giuliani owns his words, and nobody else.

Saying stupid things and having to walk them back seem to be a pattern among politicians. This will be front page news until the next one makes stupid comments, or some kid falls down a well.

Too bad, I like Rudy too. I just think he's been around long enough to know he shouldn't make a statement about what he thinks is in someone else's mind or heart.

It would appear I've failed to make my point. I'll personalise it, maybe that will help. If I'm the potential presidential candidate at a smallish meeting of supporters, and a somewhat heavy hitter like Giuliani has been invited because I know my supporters respect him and would appreciate seeing him support me, and he got up and said that, I'm mortified, and really pissed, and I'm in the back corner or back room afterward saying, "thanks a lot Rudy".
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Take the discussion about another thread TO THAT THREAD. Stop derailing this one
 
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It would appear I've failed to make my point. I'll personalise it, maybe that will help. If I'm the potential presidential candidate at a smallish meeting of supporters, and a somewhat heavy hitter like Giuliani has been invited because I know my supporters respect him and would appreciate seeing him support me, and he got up and said that, I'm mortified, and really pissed, and I'm in the back corner or back room afterward saying, "thanks a lot Rudy".

I understood you the first time. I'll personalize it too. I'm not like you. I don't judge a candidate based on what someone else says. I also don't worry about what other people say in my presence. I stand on my own merits. I doubt anyone who is considering supporting Walker would not continue to support Walker based on what Giuliani said. He isn't the candidate in the room.
 
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I understood you the first time. I'll personalize it too. I'm not like you. I don't judge a candidate based on what someone else says. I also don't worry about what other people say in my presence. I stand on my own merits. I doubt anyone who is considering supporting Walker would not continue to support Walker based on what Giuliani said. He isn't the candidate in the room.

Oh, I see. And you presume to speak for everyone, lol. What a crock of ****. You'd have a fit if you were Scott Walker, and distance yourself as much as possible, or refuse to comment, as Walker thinks he's going to get away with.
 
Oh, I see. And you presume to speak for everyone, lol. What a crock of ****. You'd have a fit if you were Scott Walker, and distance yourself as much as possible, or refuse to comment, as Walker thinks he's going to get away with.

Scott Walker said Obama didn't love his Country ?

How is this about Scott Walker again ?
 
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