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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    This is the problem with populism. Obama in the early going seemed to be promising all things to all people, that he would "renegotiate" NAFTA when speaking in Ohio and Michigan, then he would ensure energy self sufficiency by treaties with Canada and Mexico, ignoring the fact you can't touch one without the other.

    In the socialist world here, the 'movement' is a grab bag of ecologists, labor unions, special interest groups and lawyers. Sooner or later those interest clash and a "side" has to be chosen. Deny a pipeline and lose the union vote, approve the pipeline and lose the eco vote, etc.

    Now, he has posed as one of them, never realizing it could come back and bite him in the ass. And guys like Guilliani are just the guys to do it....they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Attorney General Guilliani anyone?
    I was wondering that about him, what if anything is he hoping to gain out of this? Its refreshing to hear such candor. He'd make a fine AG.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I was wondering that about him, what if anything is he hoping to gain out of this? Its refreshing to hear such candor. He'd make a fine AG.
    he didn't do it for sport.....

    And yes, I do think he would make a good AG. A bit too aggressive perhaps for my taste, but he has shown he is no nonsense, get it done. I also believe it was he, more than George Bush who held New York together during the aftermath of 911. Some Vancouver firefighters were among the first foreign boots on the ground and their recollections were that it was he out encouraging them at dawn with no cameras around. I know the Canadian mayors thought highly of him.

    He is not, however, of presidential timber due much to his personal life which wouldn't count for jack **** in any other country
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    he didn't do it for sport.....

    And yes, I do think he would make a good AG. A bit too aggressive perhaps for my taste, but he has shown he is no nonsense, get it done. I also believe it was he, more than George Bush who held New York together during the aftermath of 911. Some Vancouver firefighters were among the first foreign boots on the ground and their recollections were that it was he out encouraging them at dawn with no cameras around. I know the Canadian mayors thought highly of him.

    He is not, however, of presidential timber due much to his personal life which wouldn't count for jack **** in any other country
    His record as AG in NYC is impressive as well, he is credited for taking on the mafia. I'd like a guy like that in office.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    His record as AG in NYC is impressive as well, he is credited for taking on the mafia. I'd like a guy like that in office.
    Right, a prostitute for president, let's slip another notch down the scale.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, a prostitute for president, let's slip another notch down the scale.
    AG, guy...AG. Explain who's better. Holder?

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Exactly, so who's side is he on? That question is becoming increasingly hard to answer.
    If Barrack Obama was on the side of the Muslims, would his present policies change? If he was on the side of the West and the US Military they might change dramatically.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If Barrack Obama was on the side of the Muslims, would his present policies change? If he was on the side of the West and the US Military they might change dramatically.
    Thats the point-even if he's not-whats the difference?

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obviously you miss the point. If you want to argue that we should have provoked Japan, or that we needed to prevent them from encroaching upon the South Pacific resources that we were exploiting, fine. But that's a different argument. What you can't do, is deny that FDR was provoking a Japanese attack to turn the American opposition to our involvement in another war, see?
    What you can't do is completely ignore the atrocities that provoked the US to place a trade embargo on Japan, what you can't do is assert that not feeding the Japanese genocide throughout Asia with fuel and rubber was the act of an aggressor state, what you can't do is assert that refusing to support that genocide is somehow Cassus Belli. Japan was the aggressor state in WW2, the US never committed an act of war against Japan, and it was the Japanese who provoked the US. Again by your insane logic every member of the Israeli BDS movement has declared war on Israel and are thus legitimate military targets. Absolute nonsense.
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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    “I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

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    Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.
    I don't think Obama loves America either.
    He has a record now... a very public one, and I think it's clear. He's a raging partisan who was raised by and who associated with people who do not like this country.

    You do not fundamentally want to change something you love.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    What you can't do is completely ignore the atrocities that provoked the US to place a trade embargo on Japan, what you can't do is assert that not feeding the Japanese genocide throughout Asia with fuel and rubber was the act of an aggressor state, what you can't do is assert that refusing to support that genocide is somehow Cassus Belli. Japan was the aggressor state in WW2, the US never committed an act of war against Japan, and it was the Japanese who provoked the US. Again by your insane logic every member of the Israeli BDS movement has declared war on Israel and are thus legitimate military targets. Absolute nonsense.
    It's common knowledge by now that FDR was provoking Japan, hoping for an overt strike. Again, you may think that's what he should have done, that's a different debate. Point is, it was deceptive, and led Americans to believe that we had been coasting along, minding our own business, when out of the blue, and for no reason at all, Japan attacked us. It wasn't true, but it worked, and Americans got squarely behind him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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