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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I really don't, and all manor of handwringing over Saddam's alleged stockpiles of WMD, with delivery systems that could produce a mushroom cloud over a US city, was never a concern to me either. As a matter of fact, nobody in the world threatens me, except when our governments advance policies that piss other people off and make them hate me for being an American, and wish to chop my head off. And when I read NIE's like the one produced during the Bush administration that concluded that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has aggravated and emboldened terrorism around the world, and made me less safe, it reinforces that sentiment. So,
    my government needs to STOP doing things that are compromising my security.
    Monte ... believe me ... I understand the sentiment and agree completely ... just from a different perspective.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Monte ... believe me ... I understand the sentiment and agree completely ... just from a different perspective.
    Hey, if you and I can meet up at the same bar and enjoy a beer together, despite the fact we traveled different roads to get there, it works for me.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What does Rudy's family have to do with this? Are you reducing yourself to Rudy's level by attacking his family when your issue is with him?

    Rudy owns his words. It's partisan to expect other people to speak out. Rudy is an adult. He doesn't answer to anyone. Don't like his words? Fine. But don't be partisan and apply them to others.

    Are you responsible for the words of every idiot Liberal?
    Here's one ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

    Offered for it's humor value ... or whatever.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Okay, okay. Maybe just one nuke. A little one. One like we used on Hiroshima. Nothing big, for heaven's sake. They don't pose an existential threat to us. Say we lost, uh, Birmingham, Alabama. Who'd cry?
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey, if you and I can meet up at the same bar and enjoy a beer together, despite the fact we traveled different roads to get there, it works for me.

    Damn right !
    How 'bout if I pick up Humbolt on the way?
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Damn right !
    How 'bout if I pick up Humbolt on the way?
    I love it man!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Which was my point exactly. Raw materials resources which became booty for the US after defeating the Spanish half a century earlier. The "right" of sovereign nations to trade with whom they wish, I never have denied. Perhaps you think you can quote me such. Nevertheless, the economic warfare that FDR waged on Japan, hoping to draw an attack and as such demonstrate to the American people, his hurdle, the legitimacy for declaring war on Japan. If you want to argue that engaging Japan as such was a good thing, that's fine, but it's another matter. My point has been that the American people 80% were steadfastly against involvement in another world war! and only through intrigue and deceit, was FDR able to reverse those numbers.


    The Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, accordingly imposed a series of increasingly
    stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939, the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. "On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the
    Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials." Under this authority, "[o]n July 31,
    exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted." Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt
    slapped an embargo, effective October 16, "on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western
    Hemisphere." Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt "froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an
    effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan." [8] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their
    colonies in Southeast Asia.
    All of which were the direct result of the atrocities committed by the Japanese throughout Asia, the assertion that denying the Imperial Japanese the fuel to feed their genocide is the act of an aggressor state is laughable nonsense.

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're spinning.
    Only if you believe that declaring what someone did was "unpatriotic" (i.e., running up the national debt) versus declaring that someone wasn't a patriot and you have no proof whatsoever to support your claim (i.e., was the individual a draft dodger? Is he of a militant, anti-government, anti-America mindset?).

    Folks have provided excerpts from speeches and video clips showing where Pres. Obama has stated that he loves this country and yet you still seek out anything in your attempts to persuade people to think otherwise. I think the person that's spinning here is you and Rudy Giuliani.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Only if you believe that declaring what someone did washer "unpatriotic" (i.e., running up the national debt) versus declaring that someone wasn't a patriot and you have no proof whatsoever to support your claim (i.e., was the individual a draft dodger? Is he of a militant, anti-government, anti-America mindset?).

    Folks have provided excerpts from speeches and video clips showing where Pres. Obama has stated that he loves this country and yet you still seek out anything in your attempts to persuade people to think otherwise. I think the person that's spinning here is you and Rudy Giuliani.
    OK, if someone does something that is racist, that person isn't a racist?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Even Giuliani has caught ODS. Maybe they ought to ramp up vaccinations for ODS along with the measles. Especially on Republicans.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Here's one ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

    Offered for it's humor value ... or whatever.
    Ha, I forgot about that! It's amazing how something is discussed ad nauseam and then you never hear it again.
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