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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

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    Folks have tried to frighten us that Iran is going to get a "bomb" in 3 years if we don't do something, for at least 25 years now. Both US and Israeli intelligence have stated that in fact Iran is not pursuing such, and hasn't even decided to pursue such. We here this nonsense only from politicians who have something to gain by the fear mongering.
    Oh Monte Monte Monte ... ya know I love you like a brother ... but the notion that Iran is doing all they're doing now because they DON'T intend to develop a nuclear weapon is pretty preposterous.
    Look, a Quaker news website may have said such things and even quoted Administration officials from 2+ years ago , has no relevance 3 years later.
    Why do you think even Obama (and the rest of the non-muslim world) is at least showing concern?
    Granted, its his version of concern, but there it is anyway.

    And for the record, some who years ago thought they wouldn't go for the bomb have changed their mind.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

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    You're spinning.
    No, he's not. For example I could say your post is stupid.

    It doesn't mean *you* are stupid.

    Understand?

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

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    No, he's not. For example I could say your post is stupid.

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    So, if I called a post racist, that wouldn't mean the poster is racist?

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And I said your opinion is a nice opinion, but it is just that. I don't believe one could prove that Obama loves America, or doesn't love America. Prove that Giuliani loves America, prove that you love America.
    Well that's certainly true.
    Proof of being unpatriotic requires more than we have about either of those gentlemen now.
    Until one of them is captured demonstrating it in a captured moment of candor, we'll have to muddle along examining what they do relative to what we perceive to be our traditional national interests.
    But even given that, be prepared for some hefty equivocation by some.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Oh Monte Monte Monte ... ya know I love you like a brother ... but the notion that Iran is doing all they're doing now because they DON'T intend to develop a nuclear weapon is pretty preposterous.
    Look, a Quaker news website may have said such things and even quoted Administration officials from 2+ years ago , has no relevance 3 years later.
    Why do you think even Obama (and the rest of the non-muslim world) is at least showing concern?
    Granted, its his version of concern, but there it is anyway.

    And for the record, some who years ago thought they wouldn't go for the bomb have changed their mind.
    Thanks for the love bro, right back at ya!!! So I don't believe its a "notion" that Iran isn't building a nuclear weapons program, but the conclusions of both US and Israeli intelligence. Its pointless of you to argue with me, when if you don't believe it, your argument is with them, the ones that have declared it.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well that's certainly true.
    Proof of being unpatriotic requires more than we have about either of those gentlemen now.
    Until one of them is captured demonstrating it in a captured moment of candor, we'll have to muddle along examining what they do relative to what we perceive to be our traditional national interests.
    But even given that, be prepared for some hefty equivocation by some.
    I hear that. Being in the Medical billing business, I can tell you that the PPACA has very good beneficial elements to it, that are having very real and positive effects on Americans, and helping as such isn't what you could consider showing a lack of love or even just liking of America. (Btw, as with anything as cumbersome as the American bureaucracy has become, any roll out (the DHS) is going to have glitches as well as elements that were born out of compromise when being passed)
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Thanks for the love bro, right back at ya!!! So I don't believe its a "notion" that Iran isn't building a nuclear weapons program, but the conclusions of both US and Israeli intelligence. Its pointless of you to argue with me, when if you don't believe it, your argument is with them, the ones that have declared it.
    Like I tried to say in that comment ... I haven't seen anyone say they don't want to go nuclear for years.
    What's the most recent analysis you saw?
    I swear, I saw something from Al Jazeera <sic>, I think it was, that noted Bibi's predecessor as having said he changed his mind, Iran's intention was indeed to go nuclear.
    Bottom line, Iran has a fundy leadership and really doesn't like Israel being so close ... or existing.
    So if Obama can't stop Iran, we have to figure who will.

    Getting any snow today? Looks like it from what I've seen in the reports.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I hear that. Being in the Medical billing business,
    I can tell you that the PPACA has very good beneficial elements to it,
    that are having very real and positive effects on Americans, and helping as such isn't what you could consider showing a lack of love or even just liking of America. (Btw, as with anything as cumbersome as the American bureaucracy has become, any roll out (the DHS) is going to have glitches as well as elements that were born out of compromise when being passed)

    Funny you mention O'care.
    Remember that grainy video of him saying they can't get to Single Payer right away?
    That's the kind of captured moment of candor I was talking about.
    He never said such a thing for public consumption.
    Say what you will about the man, he knows his audience and tailors the message accordingly.
    IF SOMETHING EXPLAINS EVERYTHING, IT EXPLAINS NOTHING.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Like I tried to say in that comment ... I haven't seen anyone say they don't want to go nuclear for years.
    What's the most recent analysis you saw?
    I swear, I saw something from Al Jazeera <sic>, I think it was, that noted Bibi's predecessor as having said he changed his mind, Iran's intention was indeed to go nuclear.
    Bottom line, Iran has a fundy leadership and really doesn't like Israel being so close ... or existing.
    So if Obama can't stop Iran, we have to figure who will.

    Getting any snow today? Looks like it from what I've seen in the reports.
    To the bolded.

    U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb
    U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb - Los Angeles Times

    U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/wo...bomb.html?_r=0

    Is Anybody Listening?
    U.S. Intel Chief Says Iran Isn't Building Nukes.
    U.S. Intel Chief Says Iran Isn't Building Nukes.

    U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons
    FCNL: U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons

    US/Israel: Iran NOT Building Nukes
    January 24, 2012

    https://consortiumnews.com/2012/01/2...uilding-nukes/

    U.S. still believes Iran not on verge of nuclear weapon
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8781GS20120809


    'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon'
    'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' - Diplomacy and Defense - Israel News | Haaretz

    Israeli Intelligence Agrees With U.S. And IAEA That Iran Has Not Decided On Nuke Weapons
    http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...us-iaea-nukes/

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Funny you mention O'care.
    Remember that grainy video of him saying they can't get to Single Payer right away?
    That's the kind of captured moment of candor I was talking about.
    He never said such a thing for public consumption.
    Say what you will about the man, he knows his audience and tailors the message accordingly.
    That can be said of every politician. Btw, we are helping doctors implement PPACA requirements, the Heritage foundation (a right wing think tank) wrote much of what's in the 2,500 pages of it, a republican governor implemented the same program in a N.E. State, and the (presently right leaning) Supreme Court has upheld it as constitutional. Do not think big business in the form of insurance companies aren't also beneficiaries, nor that republicans haven't got their fingerprints on it. The public protestations and hand wringing over it is political play.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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