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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's nice.
    Yes, it is nice but it’s also an opinion. Feel free to prove me wrong if you don’t agree with it.

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Think Michelle Obama loves America?



    Michelle Obama: “For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I’m Really Proud of My Country” - ABC News

    Apparently Americans were ready for a change in the 2014 mid-term elections. Thank God.
    I saw that speech live on TV and couldn't believe she said that and that the press never questioned her about it. Absolutely unbelievable statement from a First Lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I saw that speech live on TV and couldn't believe she said that and that the press never questioned her about it. Absolutely unbelievable statement from a First Lady.
    Its our adversarial media in action.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

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    You can dislike something your country has done (or a series of things) or even be ashamed of how your country has dealt with certain things on the world stage and still have a deep love for your country. For example, I'm not very proud of how our government handled things during Vietnam (from a historical perspective since was far too young to go to war back then) and that little episode of Japanese internment was a black eye on our country, too. Necessary, perhaps, but not a very proud moment in American history. But that in no way means I don't love me country. If either were the case, I would never have joined the Navy and served my country for 16 years.

    To put things in a more personal, if not more humanistic, perspective: I can ashamed of (or not very proud) of my child's actions (i.e., cheating on a test by stealing the teacher's copy of the exam), but that in no way means I don't love my child. Just means he didn't make me very proud of his actions at the moment.
    Michelle is not a child and owns her words, which BTW, do not reflect love for her country. Think her husband, by his criticism of the USA and never saying he loves it, shows his love like one would to a petulant child. I don't think so.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Michelle is not a child and owns her words, which BTW, do not reflect love for her country. Think her husband, by his criticism of the USA and never saying he loves it, shows his love like one would to a petulant child. I don't think so.
    And people wonder why Rudy could say Obama doesn't love America.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    ...
    Moreover, the judge only stayed that portion of the EO that affects illegal immigrant parents, not the EO in its entirety.
    ...

    Why did he even issue the temporary injunction? He was pretty specific. He saw something really smelly.
    After all, Obama himself never thought he could do it until the day he thought he could. That's some Constitutional professor we have there.
    Can you just picture that forehead-smacking day when he said to himself "What was I thinking ... of course I can grant amnesty through an Executive Order."

    Is it the fact that federal spending under Obama exceeded that which GWB spent? Yeah, I know that already. But that wasn't the issue now was it?
    But ... you posted the video which was about ... yup, the national debt and W being unpatriotic. So, what I'm saying is, you brought it up so you must have thought it was an issue.


    There's a difference between saying someone is "unpatriotic" and saying "they don't love their country". Being purposely ignorant of the clear difference between the two...that's priceless!
    Nope ... no difference
    Adj. 1. unpatriotic - showing lack of love for your country.
    You can look it up.

    Yes. For one thing, bringing up Bush in this case is nothing more than a deflective tactic often employed by folks who know they're losing their argument.
    Then you shouldn't have posted the W video.

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    He was quick to say he believes that Pres. Obama is a "patriot", but right behind that he condemns his love for country. How can you be a patriot for your country and not love your country? Do you see the irony is that? ...
    Yes I do. I agree. It's a distinction without a difference ... as already noted in this very comment ... which you've now agreed with.
    Rudy should have just not tried to split hairs that aren't there.


    Depending on what actions he was referring to. But I certainly wouldn't have said the man didn't love his country, not unless he actually did something that clearly demonstrated that he hated his country, i.e., burn the U.S. flag or a copy of the Constitution or sell government secrets or resigned the Presidency and move to another country renouncing his U.S. citizenship. You know, clear signs that he does not love his country instead of spouting off some partisan, rhetorical non-sense.
    Well that last speculation might be answered sooner than we'd all like.
    e.g.
    How about if Iran gets the bomb?
    How about if Putin gobbles up Ukraine like he gobbled up Crimea?
    Illegal alien amnesty for 5 million?

    What would those things tell you?
    IF SOMETHING EXPLAINS EVERYTHING, IT EXPLAINS NOTHING.

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Yes, it is nice but it’s also an opinion. Feel free to prove me wrong if you don’t agree with it.
    And I said your opinion is a nice opinion, but it is just that. I don't believe one could prove that Obama loves America, or doesn't love America. Prove that Giuliani loves America, prove that you love America.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well that last speculation might be answered sooner than we'd all like.
    e.g.
    How about if Iran gets the bomb?
    How about if Putin gobbles up Ukraine like he gobbled up Crimea?
    Illegal alien amnesty for 5 million?

    What would those things tell you?
    Folks have tried to frighten us that Iran is going to get a "bomb" in 3 years if we don't do something, for at least 25 years now. Both US and Israeli intelligence have stated that in fact Iran is not pursuing such, and hasn't even decided to pursue such. We here this nonsense only from politicians who have something to gain by the fear mongering.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I saw that speech live on TV and couldn't believe she said that and that the press never questioned her about it. Absolutely unbelievable statement from a First Lady.
    They obviously were too busy keeping Fox News and any other conservative media outlet chained up in the back of the room.

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Are you referring to this video:



    If so, he didn't say GW Bush was unpatriotic. He said his actions for borrowing trillions from China and running up the national debt was "irresponsible and unpatriotic". There's a difference between calling out someone for their deeds versus their character.
    You're spinning.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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