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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You brought nothing but a ridiculous lame prediction.

    Bitter about losing the senate I see.
    I'd inform you to go back and watch the vid and link I brought but you've already decided to go childish so I don't expect any kind of honest debate from you.

    Bitter?

    nah... I pray the republicans grow the nuts to fully remove the filibuster. They need to own their work. They are gonna have a hard time trying to blame everyone else now that they have control of both houses.
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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I agree with Giuliani: I don't think Obama loves America. I don't think leftists love America either.
    Another "herp derp libruls bad herp derp" poster. Just wonderful.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    I am no Obama fan as POTUS.

    But Giuliani is, imo, as dumb as a post. His opinions mean almost nothing to me except for a laugh.

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I agree with Giuliani: I don't think Obama loves America. I don't think leftists love America either.
    That's nice.
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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Who said anything about another thread?
    There can be no thread wherein Unconstitutional Executive Orders can be considered Constitutional.
    When I said you could stop I meant because if you talk crazy like that right off the bat there's no point going on.
    Unless you can show me in the Constitution that such extra-Constitutional politically driven acts are allowed.
    What I was talking about was process government, something that clearly eludes you. As for the constitutionality of the President's EO's, we'll just have to take a "wait and see" approach to this one since the ruling by Judge Hanen, US District Court, was only a temporary stay and not an out right ruling for or against the EO. Moreover, the judge only stayed that portion of the EO that affects illegal immigrant parents, not the EO in its entirety. Appeals are certainly forthcoming and depending on how the Appeals Court rules, the matter could go to the SCOTUS. Now, do I think the President over-reached here? Yes, but not any more than GHW Bush did when he allowed illegal aliens to stay in the US as long as they where sponsored by and living with a legal resident alien or a US citizen at the time their citizenship application or work visa was being processed. And he did all that via EO.

    Of course, Reagan authorized the LARGEST amnesty pool of illegal aliens in U.S. history and he gets a pass because he happened to get his amnesty passed by Congress. I often wonder what tic's Republicans off more about this issue:

    1) the fact that they don't want to be seen as repeating past mistakes on immigration issues; or,

    2) the fact that the President is trying to act where they won't.

    One other thing.

    Ya know that video you posted where Obama said W was unpatriotic because he doubled the national debt ... to below $10T?
    I posted that video somewhere too because the irony fairly jumps off the screen ... for most people.
    Take a guess why that is.
    Is it the fact that federal spending under Obama exceeded that which GWB spent? Yeah, I know that already. But that wasn't the issue now was it?

    Then your distinction between what Obama said about W and what Rudy said about Obama was priceless.
    There's a difference between saying someone is "unpatriotic" and saying "they don't love their country". Being purposely ignorant of the clear difference between the two...that's priceless!

    Were you serious?
    Yes. For one thing, bringing up Bush in this case is nothing more than a deflective tactic often employed by folks who know they're losing their argument. So, they have to do something to change the subject. But to be clear, pointing out what someone did and calling it "un-American (i.e, "unpatriotic") is very different from claiming someone doesn't love their native country because "[t]he[y] didn't grow up through love of this country as you and I did". Or claiming that he doesn't love this country simply because he acknowledges to the world many of the mistakes we've made in foreign policy. And notice what Giuliani did? He was quick to say he believes that Pres. Obama is a "patriot", but right behind that he condemns his love for country. How can you be a patriot for your country and not love your country? Do you see the irony is that? If not, you clearly missed it. Perhaps because you're wearing partisan colored glasses.

    If Rudy said Obama's actions were unpatriotic you would have been okay with it?
    Depending on what actions he was referring to. But I certainly wouldn't have said the man didn't love his country, not unless he actually did something that clearly demonstrated that he hated his country, i.e., burn the U.S. flag or a copy of the Constitution or sell government secrets or resigned the Presidency and move to another country renouncing his U.S. citizenship. You know, clear signs that he does not love his country instead of spouting off some partisan, rhetorical non-sense.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'd inform you to go back and watch the vid and link I brought but you've already decided to go childish so I don't expect any kind of honest debate from you.

    Bitter?

    nah... I pray the republicans grow the nuts to fully remove the filibuster. They need to own their work. They are gonna have a hard time trying to blame everyone else now that they have control of both houses.
    Since when has there been an honest debate from liberals? Like your video that reflects your dogma?

    People didn't show up to vote because they are tired of Obama's and the rest of the liberal left's

    Apparently you still embrace it though.
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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, that and his handling of the 9/11 attack in NYC. Other than that, I really don't know of anything else he's done. Of course, I don't live in NY. So, I'll defer to New Yorkers to judge him for better or worse. That said, he's not winning me over by continuing to throw his influence around. He should be more like Bloomberg and do his work behind the scenes.
    that's a fair assessment/opinion.

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I agree with Giuliani: I don't think Obama loves America. I don't think leftists love America either.
    Think Michelle Obama loves America?

    Speaking in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."
    Michelle Obama: “For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I’m Really Proud of My Country” - ABC News

    Apparently Americans were ready for a change in the 2014 mid-term elections. Thank God.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Another "herp derp libruls bad herp derp" poster. Just wonderful.
    News flash for the nube with a tude: Might want to rethink that canned insult. I know it bolsters your post count and I know nubes like you think respect is all about post count and likes received/given but I have no respect for pointless, mindless, troll posts such as this.

    Feel free to engage in dialogue but don’t expect respect if you’re limited to Argumentum ad Hominem.

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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post


    You can dislike something your country has done (or a series of things) or even be ashamed of how your country has dealt with certain things on the world stage and still have a deep love for your country. For example, I'm not very proud of how our government handled things during Vietnam (from a historical perspective since was far too young to go to war back then) and that little episode of Japanese internment was a black eye on our country, too. Necessary, perhaps, but not a very proud moment in American history. But that in no way means I don't love me country. If either were the case, I would never have joined the Navy and served my country for 16 years.

    To put things in a more personal, if not more humanistic, perspective: I can ashamed of (or not very proud) of my child's actions (i.e., cheating on a test by stealing the teacher's copy of the exam), but that in no way means I don't love my child. Just means he didn't make me very proud of his actions at the moment.
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