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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm with you here. When did candidate Obama every publically state that President GW Bush didn't love America?


    About 25 pages in and I still haven't seen a link that responds to the above accusation.

    Gill,

    You'll have to do better than falling back on the "it's common knowledge" defense. A link to a quote, please.

    This is typical of the Far Right. They make these patently false statements, and when they're challenged they slink away into whatever sewer they emerged from.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Not that I am that, but, how would that be any different than being a left wing nut job?
    You're the one that's deciding who qualifies as an American, not me. And apparently you have decided the President does not. Anybody who doesn't believe that the President is an American who loves his country is clearly a right wing nut job.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Actually, it does.

    I've read his book, "Dreams from my Father," (as well as, "Audacity of Hope" and a few others about the man) and it does illustrate that the President had a very diverse background growing up. It wasn't until after he graduated from high school and switched colleges did his social and cultural views begin to change. And while I would admit that many of the views he has concerning "a great society" didn't being to take shape until he became a Community Organizer in Chicago, his beliefs that White Privilege is, in fact, real and that minorities - of all types - did and continue to receive the short end of the stick only reinforced in his mind, I'm sure, the belief that socio-economic reforms were necessary if this country were to ever return to an "All-In" approach to national prosperity where everyone has a piece of the action and an opportunity to succeed. I find nothing wrong with that if, in deed, the great "social contract" with America has, in fact, been broken.
    Except for his mother, all those people/orgs were from years when he had a choice of who he associated with and with whom he chose to.
    So tell me, what were the diverse associations since he left his teen years behind him - since that's really the point, isn't it?
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But the changes sought I don't think aren't contrary to our Constitutional values. They are the exact opposite, IMO. For example...

    People consider the General Welfare Clause of the Constitution to be an easy target for liaze-faire progressive policies. I think this is a very simplistic perspective. "General Welfare" in essence means to "take care" of the needs of the country, specifically, when the socio-economic mechanism fail to correct social or economic imbalances. When such happens, it IS the responsibility of government through good governance to bring balance back to so-called "social norms". This is usually done through Congress using their enumerated power to legislate.
    But as we have seen through US history, when Congress fails to act, refused to act or in capable of acting efficiently (or wisely), one of the other two branches of government tends to take the lead: The Executive (via Executive Order if not strong and forceful "process governance")
    or the Judicial (SCOTUS).

    Now, it is permissible and right for one of the other co-equal branches to "reign the other in" should one over-steps its bounds, but the way that is normally done is through debate and compromise, not faux legal battles, poison-pill legislation or even a judicial system that tends to be more "legislative" than "interpretive".

    Much of what we're seeing play out between the President and Congress is nothing more than one side either attempting to undermine the other or pull a power grab. It's messy politics for sure, but all it does for most Americans is leave them disgruntle and mistrusting of government and its ability to do that which is in the best interest of the country, not political party. Unfortunately, the actions of all involved amongst Congressional leaders and the White House (and the Supreme Court to a lessor degree) are all proving Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin both right...

    1) Political parties will destroy this country; and,

    2) Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Nope.
    You could have stopped right there.
    Unconstitutional Executive Orders are NOT a proper remedy for Legislative inaction about something the Executive branch wants for it's own political purposes.
    Period.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

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    Who praytell did?
    Southern Democrats



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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Sure it was...the GOP of the post-Civil War era going into the Civil Rights era was the Democrat Party. Today, Democrat politics of old have largely shifted to what were once Republican ideals. And what were once Republican-held ideals are now the same old brushed off ideals Democrats used long ago. They may be "conservative" in nature, but they were still formulated by the Grand Old Party that was once owned and operated by that political machine that once supported the "Southern Strategy" - the Democrats. A political shell game if ever there was one!
    the addiction to government largesse and the subtle racism of low expectations tends to be a Democrat proclivity



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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you should include his "clarifications" on his initial comments....and i'm not sure why the OP didn't include them.

    here are his "clarifications"





    and of course.. another of his attacks


    take from them what you will....
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's the classic fascistic notion of the partisans.

    "You don't believe as I do, therefore you don't love this country".
    I agree with your statement. Giuliani is eaten up with jealousy that an African American got the top job, the same one he was running for. But truth be known, that statement is the classic Rudy Giuliani. Being a native New Yorker, I got to observe this "freak" up close. When he was running for mayor at the same time David Dinkins was the first African American mayor, Rudy riled up the police to march on City Hall to attack Mayor Dinkins. For a while there it was thought Mayor Dinkins would have to call in the National Guard to protect himself from Rudy Giuliani and the police force. Another thing, what Giuliani did on 9/11 is highly overrated; just like Chris Christie who used the storm, Sandy, to make him look like a super Governor, so did Rudy use 9/11 the same way. I'm still wondering what the A-hole did that was so spectacular to be called America's mayor?!

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Southern Democrats
    Which for all intents and purposes are republicans. The south is as red as it gets. Who's kidding whom?
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Which for all intents and purposes are republicans. The south is as red as it gets. Who's kidding whom?

    The GOP didn't pass the Jim Crow Laws.



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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    It's the classic fascistic notion of the partisans.

    "You don't believe as I do, therefore you don't love this country".
    Like when Obama called Bush unpatriotic?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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