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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Well, as far as the government is concerned, you're right. Trudeau's government was decisively against the Vietnam war. However, for the average Canadian, it wasn't so clear cut. Many Canadians joined the Vietnam War and fought bravely alongside Americans. From what I know, there are even Canadians amongst the list of missing soldiers in Vietnam. Canada's military itself stayed out of the war and only served to ensure that the agreements of the Paris Treaty were observed. There are even some who received the Medal of Honor. I'm not defending the actions of the Canadian government at all, what I am saying is that they're not a reflection of what Canadians in general throughout of the war. More importantly, they're not a reflection of anything other than the government's policies.
    Well, they are a democracy. If they hadn't endorsed the haven for draft dodgers approach they could have let their government know. I would be interested seeing which Canadian soldiers (and I would argue they were American soldiers who happened to be from Canada) received the Medal of Honor in Vietnam. Even now, the guy from Canada who's so upset by this fully endorses the action.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? what ethnic group in the USA consistently is at the bottom in terms of educational levels achieved, HS completion and ACT/SAT scores?

    and why is it the one that votes Democrat at over 95% ?
    There it is! That Grand Old Party mentality that says, "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" ignoring the real fact that legalism, unjust social pressures AND federal economic policies worked simultaneously to keep Blacks from obtaining a higher education. moving away from poverty and having opportunities to do better for themselves. The BS just keeps getting deeper and deeper while the old storylines keep being retold and resold as the truth.

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Very lame effort at changing the subject. You celebrated the arrival of draft dodgers and rejoiced in the fact that you'd really put one over on the Yanks. I lived in that era. I served during the Vietnam war.
    Good for you - shame you've wasted your life being bitter. I wish you better in the future.
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    Re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, they are a democracy. If they hadn't endorsed the haven for draft dodgers approach they could have let their government know. I would be interested seeing which Canadian soldiers received the Medal of Honor in Vietnam. Even now, the guy from Canada who's so upset by this fully endorses the action.
    I should have made organised that post better. When I said there were some who got the medal of honor, it went with my previous statement that Canadians joined the military. I apologise, sometimes I write things in posts, and then slice the ideas in two because I want to add in more facts.

    Canada and the Vietnam War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    U.S. Army Sergeant Peter C. Lemon, an American immigrant from Canada was awarded the U.S. Medal of Honor for his valour in the conflict. (This cross-border enlistment was not unprecedented: Both the First and the Second World War saw thousands of Americans join the Canadian Armed Forces before the U.S officially declared war on Germany)[38]
    Peter C. Lemon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Lemon was born in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. After his military service, he attended Colorado State University, graduating in 1979 with a degree in Speech and received his Masters in Business Administration from the University of Northern Colorado in 1981,[1] where in 1998 he was proclaimed 'Humanitarian Alumni of the Year.'
    Hopefully this clears it up.

    (and I would argue they were American soldiers who happened to be from Canada)
    I don't really understand the difference you're trying to make here. If they were born in Canada, they are Canadians.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    There it is! That Grand Old Party mentality that says, "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" ignoring the real fact that legalism, unjust social pressures AND federal economic policies worked simultaneously to keep Blacks from obtaining a higher education. moving away from poverty and having opportunities to do better for themselves. The BS just keeps getting deeper and deeper while the old storylines keep being retold and resold as the truth.

    Keep it coming, TD. You're making my weekend.
    so why is it that Jews who came here after suffering the worst genocidal terror in known history or the boat people who fled Vietnam with nothing have -in the last 40 years, turned out more IVY phi beta kappas than blacks have in the same period of time?

    BTW it wasn't the GOP that kept blacks down



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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That's not what you stated earlier...





    So, which is it? Academics or the less educated....HS drop-outs because it can't be both.

    EDIT: Just came across TD's later retort to the above...



    There are quite a few things wrong with the above not the least of which is if you have a Masters Degree you're a long way from being "uneducated" or even "uninformed" about what takes place in America or its national history. Moreover, I seriously doubt lawyers will vote Democrat on the off chance they'll get lucky and win a civil law suite defending some uneducated smuck.

    Talk about putting your junk out their, getting it stepped on and then ratcheting the old party tag line back all while doubling down and grasping at straws in the process.

    Republican Administrations issue R&D grants to colleges and universities same as Democrat Administrations do. To think that grant approvals are one-sided based on party ideology is foolish. You apply for grants because you need the funding. Period.

    However, you're right that in today's economic climate bereft with a strong Conservative bent and a corporate culture led by GOP supporters it's very understandable why these corporate CEOs would vote Republican! They want the "corporate welfare" with it's many tax credits and generous tax deductions (aka, "tax loopholes") to continue. Yes, I very much understand all the "keep more of what you own/less taxes on job creators..." arguments. I just don't believe the hype as the evidence of corporate elites using "their money" to create jobs on their own without government tax incentives and the wealth will magically trickle-down to the rest of us just hasn't come true. For if such were true, why would the gap between the rich, the poor and the middle-class continue to widen? Why would there be a 1% -vs- 99%?

    DON'T BELIEVE THE GOP PROSPERITY HYPE!
    the bell curve apparently is hard for some to understand

    the bottom of the educational curve vote DEMS as does people in academia

    both groups are dependent on government funding.

    its easy to understand



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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, now it's not "people vote Democrat because they're uneducated, liberal arts instructors or predatory attorneys". Now, it's "they vote Democrat cause they fear being lynched?"

    Tell me, if their college is burned to the ground how are they suppose to get educated? Oh, that's right! They're suppose to vote Republican so their institutions of higher learning aren't destroyed by "mob violence" that can only come from the "left" all of whom are getting government handouts.

    That's my comic relief for the entire weekend right there!

    Hate to say it but if this is a snap shot of an educated American from the Right, we're doomed!
    black colleges have been burned to the ground? when in the last 50 years?



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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Well ... a Country that's as old as ours, is supposed to live under a Constitution as we have, and may stray from it somewhat now and then but has the machinery built in to bring it back, doesn't require a fundamental change.
    Especially a fundamental change that requires the elimination of checks & balances that has come about under this Administration.
    And whatever cyclical societal change we're experiencing doesn't warrant a fundamental change if we still intend to live by a Constitution.
    But the changes sought I don't think aren't contrary to our Constitutional values. They are the exact opposite, IMO. For example...

    People consider the General Welfare Clause of the Constitution to be an easy target for liaze-faire progressive policies. I think this is a very simplistic perspective. "General Welfare" in essence means to "take care" of the needs of the country, specifically, when the socio-economic mechanism fail to correct social or economic imbalances. When such happens, it IS the responsibility of government through good governance to bring balance back to so-called "social norms". This is usually done through Congress using their enumerated power to legislate. But as we have seen through US history, when Congress fails to act, refused to act or in capable of acting efficiently (or wisely), one of the other two branches of government tends to take the lead: The Executive (via Executive Order if not strong and forceful "process governance") or the Judicial (SCOTUS).

    Now, it is permissible and right for one of the other co-equal branches to "reign the other in" should one over-steps its bounds, but the way that is normally done is through debate and compromise, not faux legal battles, poison-pill legislation or even a judicial system that tends to be more "legislative" than "interpretive".

    Much of what we're seeing play out between the President and Congress is nothing more than one side either attempting to undermine the other or pull a power grab. It's messy politics for sure, but all it does for most Americans is leave them disgruntle and mistrusting of government and its ability to do that which is in the best interest of the country, not political party. Unfortunately, the actions of all involved amongst Congressional leaders and the White House (and the Supreme Court to a lessor degree) are all proving Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin both right...

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    black colleges have been burned to the ground? when in the last 50 years?
    But you were the one who made reference to very possibility of such happening today based on perceived fears a specific voting block might have if they didn't vote a certain way. If you're going to question anything question the merits of that which you've posted.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But you were the one who made reference to very possibility of such happening today based on perceived fears a specific voting block might have if they didn't vote a certain way. If you're going to question anything question the merits of that which you've posted.
    that makes no sense whatsoever. and your posts appear to be quite the product of Dem hackery as opposed to a "moderate"



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