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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Has Obama ever SAID he loves the United States?

    The answer to that seems relevant.

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you should include his "clarifications" on his initial comments....and i'm not sure why the OP didn't include them.

    here are his "clarifications"





    and of course.. another of his attacks


    take from them what you will....


    Ah.....the whole perspective eh Thrilla. Note: how that puts the beginner class in check.

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Another fail. That post was mocking the countries that the American people have been frightened into believing were a threat to us at one time or another.
    Absolutely not a fail, first you implied that they were made up threats, then you claimed it was the fault of the US attempting to maintain its hegemony as opposed to the actions of Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc, then you made apologetics and moral equivalencies for them especially Japan.

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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    “I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America,” Giuliani said during the dinner at the 21 Club, a former Prohibition-era speakeasy in midtown Manhattan. “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

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    Seems to me he's got no other office to run for so he can say any idiotic thing he wants. But Scott Walker was in the room, and he would like to be the next president, lol. Why people think they can say **** like this when they're in private meetings in a day when everyone has a phone with audio and video capabilities.
    I don't think Rudy should have said what he did. I think it was a pretty petty and disingenuous of him. But what does Scott Walker have to do with anything?
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I somewhat agree with them... in terms of Obama being more critic than supporter... he is definitely more critic than supporter, at least in his rhetoric.

    as for " loving his country" .. I think it's absurd to say he doesn't love his country...I think he loves some parts of it more than others (he doesn't seem to have much use or love for the areas that didn't vote for him)... but overall he loves the country.
    I think what so many people don't understand is that "loving your country" doesn't mean wanting it to stay exactly the way it is. I notice this far more with those on the right...they think that working to make America better means you don't love America, because you want it to be better than it is today.

    Loving America doesn't mean to never strive to make it better. Loving America includes what has always made America great which is the potential for a better tomorrow. Change can happen in the United States. Change NEEDS to happen, constantly, in the United States. That is also showing you love America.

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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I somewhat agree with them... in terms of Obama being more critic than supporter... he is definitely more critic than supporter, at least in his rhetoric.

    as for " loving his country" .. I think it's absurd to say he doesn't love his country...I think he loves some parts of it more than others (he doesn't seem to have much use or love for the areas that didn't vote for him)... but overall he loves the country.
    Critique and dissent of US policy doesn't mean you don't like your country, the framers made sure that that was clear. It seems that there's no end to the vitriol we hear about Obama, our president, from those that claim to love America.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Has Obama ever SAID he loves the United States?

    The answer to that seems relevant.
    And what of all the hate for the American president spewed by the right, hmm?


    Obama to Vets: “I Love America, So Do You, and So Does John McCain”
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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't think Rudy should have said what he did. I think it was a pretty petty and disingenuous of him. But what does Scott Walker have to do with anything?
    Oh Scott Walkers got no responsibility whatsoever for Giuliani's asinine comment. But he was there, and if I'm him, I'm privately up Giuliani's ass about it. Men and women running, or thinking about running for president don't want association with such idiotic rhetoric. Otherwise, I didn't intend that Giuliani's comment is reflective of Scott Walker.
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    re: Rudy Giuliani: President Obama doesn’t love America[W:649]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh Scott Walkers got no responsibility whatsoever for Giuliani's asinine comment. But he was there, and if I'm him, I'm privately up Giuliani's ass about it. Men and women running, or thinking about running for president don't want association with such idiotic rhetoric. Otherwise, I didn't intend that Giuliani's comment is reflective of Scott Walker.
    There's no more reason to associate Walker with Giuliani's words than there is to associate Hillary Clinton with the words of any idiot Democrat. I don't know why Walker would have a right to take Giuliani to task for his words. Giuliani owns his words, and nobody else.

    Saying stupid things and having to walk them back seem to be a pattern among politicians. This will be front page news until the next one makes stupid comments, or some kid falls down a well.

    Too bad, I like Rudy too. I just think he's been around long enough to know he shouldn't make a statement about what he thinks is in someone else's mind or heart.
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    Re: Giuliani, what a freak

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Absolutely not a fail, first you implied that they were made up threats, then you claimed it was the fault of the US attempting to maintain its hegemony as opposed to the actions of Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc, then you made apologetics and moral equivalencies for them especially Japan.
    Stop lying. In no post have I mentioned Stalin or Mao, except to CORRECT you for accusing me of it. I also haven't "apologised" for Japan, I have however repeatedly pointed out, that Japan had no scheme devised of attacking the US, until AFTER economic war and other provocations from FDR. do keep things accurate, if that's possible.
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