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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I said unskilled, not underskilled... and i'm talking about minimum wage, not a living wage..furthermore, never is a very long time.. i don't expect anyone to remain static forever, at any level.

    define "minimum standard of living"?.. is that just the bare necessities of food and shelter?.... or is it more of an arbitrary thing like "a living wage"?

    the advise I tend to give folks is it to work hard,work smart, gain more skills,master the skills you have, and negotiate your wages aggressively...I also tend to advise people to stay out of the retail sector if at all possible.

    all of this is how we operate under our current system... if you want to talk in terms of changing our system, i advocate doing away with minimum wage altogether( as well as most, if not all of our social welfare programs) and going to a basic income guarantee for every adult citizen in the country.... but that's just a dream.. nobody is going to allow that.
    yea, like no way we dream of going to the moon
    if you can't dream it, it won't happen

    in the meantime, here is a fellow who should be talked about for a national 2016 run:
    This Billionaire Governor Taxed the Rich and Increased the Minimum Wage -- Now, His State's Economy Is One of the Best in the Country*|*Carl Gibson

    and it would not be a difficult chore to identify what we would agree is a minimum standard of living. that data driven mechanism you decry for not being present in establishing the minimum wage
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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Good. They deserve more though. This is a start.
    No. Sorry. Have you ever shopped in a Walmart?
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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yea, like no way we dream of going to the moon
    if you can't dream it, it won't happen
    I'm a realist more than anything... I know a BIG isn't going to happen anytime soon, if ever.... it makes too much sense, it enjoys support and justification from across the ideological spectrum, and most importantly.... it slaughters far too many sacred cows.
    we have a better chance at voting in a 50 buck minimum wage tomorrow than we do at enacting a BIG in the next 100 years... my dream is just that... a dream.

    meh, I'll take the Texas economy over Minnesota... and the weather too.
    beyond that, I don't really care who this guy is or what he does in his state.

    and it would not be a difficult chore to identify what we would agree is a minimum standard of living. that data driven mechanism you decry for not being present in establishing the minimum wage
    it would be incredibly difficult to do on a national basis.... standard of living costs swing wildly all over the nation.... and most likely what would happen is the same thing that happens with the minimum wage....an arbitrary number would be thrown into the ring for everybody to quibble over.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    No. Sorry. Have you ever shopped in a Walmart?
    I haven't shopped walmart in over 5 years... I have an HEB plus fairly close by that is far superior to Walmart in every way ( including pay)... and actually has helpful enthusiastic staff( with every checkout line staffed, complete with baggers)..HEB does it right.

    I'd wager most of the Walmart employees you see on the floor, including the supervisors, steal half their wages... the 3 checkers they have scheduled at peak hours work their asses off, though... Target isn't much better, though the stores are much cleaner and nicer to shop in.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'm a realist more than anything... I know a BIG isn't going to happen anytime soon, if ever.... it makes too much sense, it enjoys support and justification from across the ideological spectrum, and most importantly.... it slaughters far too many sacred cows.
    we have a better chance at voting in a 50 buck minimum wage tomorrow than we do at enacting a BIG in the next 100 years... my dream is just that... a dream.
    again, if we cannot dream it, it will not happen
    thank goodness the likes of JFK and FDR would not foreclose on our nation's best prospects

    meh, I'll take the Texas economy over Minnesota... and the weather too.
    beyond that, I don't really care who this guy is or what he does in his state.
    on a political site and prefer to remain ignorant of policy decisions with very positive outcomes
    your choice
    and representative of the typical texan ... but then there is a lot of sand there to cover one's head

    it would be incredibly difficult to do on a national basis.... standard of living costs swing wildly all over the nation.... and most likely what would happen is the same thing that happens with the minimum wage....an arbitrary number would be thrown into the ring for everybody to quibble over.
    lots of methodologies could be used
    for example, the federal employees have high geographic rate areas, and they get a pay raise for living there. such an existing standard could be used to elevate the minimum living wage for high cost geographic areas above a defined base
    there is as much art as science involved in constructing effective public policy
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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    again, if we cannot dream it, it will not happen
    thank goodness the likes of JFK and FDR would not foreclose on our nation's best prospects
    neither tried to slaughter sacred cows...


    on a political site and prefer to remain ignorant of policy decisions with very positive outcomes
    your choice
    and representative of the typical texan ... but then there is a lot of sand there to cover one's head
    we haven't really chatted too much, but i didn't peg you for this type of poster.... now I know better.


    lots of methodologies could be used
    for example, the federal employees have high geographic rate areas, and they get a pay raise for living there. such an existing standard could be used to elevate the minimum living wage for high cost geographic areas above a defined base
    there is as much art as science involved in constructing effective public policy[/QUOTE]

    whatever.. i'm done chatting with you.... go talk to someone who gives a **** what you have to say.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I haven't shopped walmart in over 5 years... I have an HEB plus fairly close by that is far superior to Walmart in every way ( including pay)... and actually has helpful enthusiastic staff( with every checkout line staffed, complete with baggers)..HEB does it right.

    I'd wager most of the Walmart employees you see on the floor, including the supervisors, steal half their wages... the 3 checkers they have scheduled at peak hours work their asses off, though... Target isn't much better, though the stores are much cleaner and nicer to shop in.
    If Walmart fired crap employees and paid them better they would be better off. But it may be tough to get good employees into something named "Walmart."
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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I think you and me both know this ins't the 60's anymore.
    the only time in the 60's i made above minimum wage is when I worked under the table...though i didn't have my first "real" job until '66

    it did buy more than it does today, sure thing....but wages are not the only factor there... cost of living levels went nuts since then.
    Nope, it's not the '60s, and never will be again.
    I paid from $65 to $100 a month in rent (moved several times) before buying a house for $13,500 in 1969, bought a new '68 VW beetle for $2,000, fueled it with 25 cent gas. The cost of living was pretty stable until around 1973, when OPEC (if you're a Democrat) or Jimmy Carter (if you're a Republican) screwed the economy.
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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    If Walmart fired crap employees and paid them better they would be better off. But it may be tough to get good employees into something named "Walmart."
    I don't know if simply paying them more would make it better... in my experience, moderate wage increases don't have much of an effect on work ethic, at least in a lasting fashion... additionally, I don't think Walmart is in the habit of developing healthy work ethic among their employees.

    it's a really odd when i look at the difference between these stores here locally.. i mean, the draw from the same small labor pool.. the wages aren't very far off of each other... but it's absolutely night and day.

    i'm not trying to say Walmart employees suck... i'm speaking in general terms here and basically pointing out that there is something wrong in Walmarts labor management model beyond wages... it's rare to find a Walmart worker who is enthusiastic about their job, and that's generally indicative of the employer doing something poorly rather than the employees being ****ty.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    No. Sorry. Have you ever shopped in a Walmart?
    I have. Havent stepped foot in one for about 3 years now though.


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