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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Actually employers are still on the hook for the entire labor bill. Do you think that just because someone works for a temp company that there are still cost associated with that stuff? Temp agencies don't hve to pay taxes or have workers comp insurance? Temp agencies don't have to advertise for workers?

    In my county, most of the workers at BMW actually are temps. Those temps make $15/hr, and get full benefits, just as if they worked directly for BMW, and obviously BMW has to pay the temp company a good bit over that $15/hr. Having temps does not save a company on wages, but it does help the company in other ways.

    The real reason that companies use temps instead of direct hires is that it makes it easier for them (psychologically) to fire bad workers. One of the most stressful things for a boss is to fire people. When the worker is a temp, it becomes a lot easier because the boss doesn't actually fire them, he just tells them they they are no longer needed, or calls the temp company and tells the temp company to fire the worker.
    that's not the experience i've had with Temp services... at all.
    most, if not all, of the temp experience i have had ( including being one) is simply earning a wage that is lower than a full time employee, having little or no benefits, and being easily replaceable.
    but i will say it doesn't sound like being a temp at BMW is a bad gig at all... in the world of temps, they got it pretty good.

    but you last paragraph is true.. it's easy as hell to fire a temp.... and much less stressful on the manager

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    That doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be cheaper just to eat the cost of the insurance, because that cost is 100% tax deductible, and is a huge benefit to the employees. If they increased wages, then employee then would have to pay taxes on those wages (and possibly lose means tested welfare benefits), and then hand over the cost of the insurance to Walmart, putting the employees in a WORSE situation. No company desires to piss off their employees.
    You can have the insurance deducted from pay before taxes are applied so employees do not have to be taxed on it. It just means that they cannot use their out of pocket premium as an expense if they are itemizing.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Was that in the article? Or are you just projecting that based upon a tiny purely voluntary wage increase on the part of Walmart?
    No, I base that on a keen business acumen and knowing how biz works.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    That doesn't seem logical to me. If I were an employer who was planning on not needing as many employees in the future, the last thing I would do is to increase their pay rates. It would make much more sense to have a pay freeze.
    Sure. Unless it was the other way around, and you were planning on raising wages now to generate good publicity, but needed an off-ramp for increased costs down the road.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    So now explain to me why Walmart would voluntarily increase it's pay rate, unless it needed workers?
    We have high unemployment, and its highest among the populace that would be effected by this raise (low-skill). Walmart isn't doing this to attract more workers.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    please define a living wage 10,20,30,40,100 dollars an hour.

    why can't people that demand a living wage say what it is.
    The cost of living is lower in Quartzite Arizona than it is in Chicago, just as the cost of living is lower In Chicago than it is in Manhattan. So the amount varies from place to place. An individual's wage should be relative to the cost of living in their location, Enough so that they don't need Joe tax payer to kick in to help meet their basic bare bones needs.
    Last edited by HenryChinaski; 02-20-15 at 07:47 PM.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We have high unemployment, and its highest among the populace that would be effected by this raise (low-skill). Walmart isn't doing this to attract more workers.
    Clearly they thought the PR was worth the price. Why do they care about PR?
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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    It seems to me the biggest group of employees at Walmart are not looking for full time employment nor seeking a career. The majority of employees seem to be made up of students (high school and college), moms wanting part time employment, retired persons seeking a part time job to supplement their income. I believe they require at least a high school diploma or currently in school, drug testing and background check. There's a good number of people in our society that couldn't get a job at Walmart. Ten bucks an hour may not go very far in Portland, Chicago, or NY but it does in flyover country where moms take on part time jobs to supplement the family income with a part time job and still be home with the kids when needed. Or a retired person on a fixed income looking for extra to supplement his/her income. Same with the college student trying to earn tuition for next quarter. It isn't Walmart's responsibility to provide healthcare to its part time employees. As far as I know they do provide healthcare plans for their full time employees. At some point, personal responsibility for one's choices in life needs to be addressed.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    I see the check out girl who works at the local dollar store using a SNAP card at the neighborhood grocery store. So that tells Me that her wage at Her dollar store job isn't enough to cover bare bones needs, so we're all picking up the rest of the tab. Pay her the minimum that is needed to survive here and then we don't have to pick up that tab.

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    Re: Walmart Gives 500,000 Workers A Raise

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    I see the check out girl who works at the local dollar store using a SNAP card at the neighborhood grocery store. So that tells Me that her wage at Her dollar store job isn't enough to cover bare bones needs, so we're all picking up the rest of the tab. Pay her the minimum that is needed to survive here and then we don't have to pick up that tab.
    Whose fault is that Chinaski? The Dollar Store? hardly.

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