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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

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Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

That's unfortunate. The doctor is protected by their religious beliefs and thus is allowed to refuse the patient.

Thank the universe the bible doesn't make any explicit prohibitions to other minority groups or more people would be S.0.L
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

That's unfortunate. The doctor is protected by their religious beliefs and thus is allowed to refuse the patient.

Thank the universe the bible doesn't make any explicit prohibitions to other minority groups or more people would be S.0.L

"As it turns out, Roi has free choice too - the American Medical Association says physicians cannot refuse to care for patients based on sexual orientation, but doctors can refuse treatment if it's incompatible with their personal, religious or moral beliefs.In Michigan - there are no laws that protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender families from discrimination."

That law will change real soon.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

That's unfortunate. The doctor is protected by their religious beliefs and thus is allowed to refuse the patient.

Thank the universe the bible doesn't make any explicit prohibitions to other minority groups or more people would be S.0.L

Actually, it doesn't matter if the Bible says anything about other minority groups or not, so long as the law allows a religious exemption, the doctors would then be able to deny them service based on this because of their religious beliefs. Believe God is against interracial or interfaith or single parents? A religious exemption technically allows for you to turn these people away, even if you are a doctor. And that is the huge issue with allowing for religious exemptions of discrimination laws. It allows people to use religion as an excuse to discriminate against people even when other reasoning would not fly.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Should have her license revoked... there is only one rule for doctors.. the Hippocratic oath
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Should have her license revoked... there is only one rule for doctors.. the Hippocratic oath

Wow, have you actually read the Hippocratic Oath? I wouldn't have guessed that you were a strong advocate for this little gem: "Moreover, I will get no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child."
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Should have her license revoked... there is only one rule for doctors.. the Hippocratic oath

Tell that to doctors who prescribe unnecessary, harmful synthetic hormones, and surgically mutilate the genitals of people with mental disorders. :roll:
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Tell that to doctors who prescribe unnecessary, harmful synthetic hormones, and surgically mutilate the genitals of people with mental disorders. :roll:

They are not doctors, but deranged scientists at best.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Tell that to doctors who prescribe unnecessary, harmful synthetic hormones, and surgically mutilate the genitals of people with mental disorders. :roll:

Doctors have been "mutilating" the genitals of babies for a long time.

And just because you think they are unnecessary, doesn't make it true. You are not a doctor, nor are you truly concerned about the mental health of such people.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Wow, have you actually read the Hippocratic Oath? I wouldn't have guessed that you were a strong advocate for this little gem: "Moreover, I will get no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child."

You know very well what I mean. The child needed care and refusing care is a fundamental break of any doctors oath or position.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

You know very well what I mean. The child needed care and refusing care is a fundamental break of any doctors oath or position.

Obviously it is but take it up with the AMA and the state of michigan (one of the worst to be lgbt). It's absolutely insane that a profession dedicated to science and healing and a government under oath to protect its citizens and uphold the constitution would instead defer to lunatic religious dogma.

This "doctor" should lose a lot more than the license
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

"As it turns out, Roi has free choice too - the American Medical Association says physicians cannot refuse to care for patients based on sexual orientation, but doctors can refuse treatment if it's incompatible with their personal, religious or moral beliefs.In Michigan - there are no laws that protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender families from discrimination."

That law will change real soon.

you haven't been to michigan if you think so. Currently the state senate is busy with - instead of fixing the 3rd world roads and bridges or the 50:1 student teacher ratio - passing a "religious freedom" law that would *increase* discrimination

Supporters of that law insisted this kind of atrocity would never happen, but even without it, because the AMA won't stop it and neither will 28 states, a freaking baby is being denied medical care

I mean this is the same state that won't allow gay couples to co-adopt, so if the adoptive parent dies then the kid goes back to foster care. It's that evil
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

You know very well what I mean. The child needed care and refusing care is a fundamental break of any doctors oath or position.

I read exactly what you wrote, it was quite clear and unambiguous. It's not my fault that you never read the Hippocratic Oath to know all that you demand of physician behaviour. At no time did the baby not have access to care and I'm sure that Dr. Karam is just as qualified.

There are no laws or medical code of ethics that support your position so you reach out to the ancient text of the Hippocratic Oath (but only for those parts you think support your views and discard the rest).
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

you haven't been to michigan if you think so. Currently the state senate is busy with - instead of fixing the 3rd world roads and bridges or the 50:1 student teacher ratio - passing a "religious freedom" law that would *increase* discrimination

Supporters of that law insisted this kind of atrocity would never happen, but even without it, because the AMA won't stop it and neither will 28 states, a freaking baby is being denied medical care

I mean this is the same state that won't allow gay couples to co-adopt, so if the adoptive parent dies then the kid goes back to foster care. It's that evil

"a freaking baby is being denied medical care"

The parents went to a medical facility and they received care. You seem to care more about your agenda.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

To be quite honest this did surprise me. For some reason I thought that educated people can and would rise above such blatant bigotry, but I guess that low life imbeciles exist in every walk of life.
This doctor refused to treat an infant because the parents are gay.
Lesbian couple says Michigan pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation | 7online.com

well this definitely is gross, tasteless and moronic bigotry thats just a fact . . .

In the not so far future the spreading of equal rights will make this illegal in this situation, as it should be . . . illegal discrimination based on sexual orientation because the moron of a woman admitted to her bigotry

just out of curiosity though what I want to know is, how is giving healthcare to the baby "wrong" in the eyes of her religion? what possible religion could she be?
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

To be quite honest this did surprise me. For some reason I thought that educated people can and would rise above such blatant bigotry, but I guess that low life imbeciles exist in every walk of life.
This doctor refused to treat an infant because the parents are gay.
Lesbian couple says Michigan pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation | 7online.com


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well this definitely is gross, tasteless and moronic bigotry thats just a fact . . .

In the not so far future the spreading of equal rights will make this illegal in this situation, as it should be . . . illegal discrimination based on sexual orientation because the moron of a woman admitted to her bigotry

just out of curiosity though what I want to know is, how is giving healthcare to the baby "wrong" in the eyes of her religion? what possible religion could she be?
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

"a freaking baby is being denied medical care"

The parents went to a medical facility and they received care. You seem to care more about your agenda.

yeah, eventually they did. And rosa parks could've "known her place" on the back of the bus. No problem right? I mean, she did get on the bus

Such discrimination harms the children of gay couples, just from knowing they are 2nd class, not to mention there is no justifiable reason for them to be inconvenienced even in the slightest, just because the parents are gay

You seem to care more about trivializing the disgusting behavior of this "doctor"
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

I read exactly what you wrote, it was quite clear and unambiguous. It's not my fault that you never read the Hippocratic Oath to know all that you demand of physician behaviour. At no time did the baby not have access to care and I'm sure that Dr. Karam is just as qualified.

There are no laws or medical code of ethics that support your position so you reach out to the ancient text of the Hippocratic Oath (but only for those parts you think support your views and discard the rest).

This has nothing to do with abortion or whatever you're on about, as this facility does not perform abortions. The fact is the oath they swear to back in medical school is a *variation* on the ancient text. In most cases the oath they take does *not* include the part about refusing abortions. Likewise, it does not include "I swear by Apollo" and other rubbish that bears no relevance to 21st century

You can mock Hippocrates or the oath all day, but by actually attempting to treat babies, he was a damn slight wiser and more humane than this "doctor"
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

To be quite honest this did surprise me. For some reason I thought that educated people can and would rise above such blatant bigotry, but I guess that low life imbeciles exist in every walk of life.
This doctor refused to treat an infant because the parents are gay.
Lesbian couple says Michigan pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation | 7online.com

This is soooo hard to believe. What kind of God do people with this mindset pray to? Yet the parents of little Bay should be grateful this JERK passed on treating their little girl. I hope the publicity destroys their practice. Remember, the practice nor the doctor didn't really have to say why why she didn't want to treat her. What this pediatrician did was hateful.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

you haven't been to michigan if you think so. Currently the state senate is busy with - instead of fixing the 3rd world roads and bridges or the 50:1 student teacher ratio - passing a "religious freedom" law that would *increase* discrimination

Supporters of that law insisted this kind of atrocity would never happen, but even without it, because the AMA won't stop it and neither will 28 states, a freaking baby is being denied medical care

I mean this is the same state that won't allow gay couples to co-adopt, so if the adoptive parent dies then the kid goes back to foster care. It's that evil

"a freaking baby is being denied medical care"

The baby wasn't denied medical care. Another doctor in the practice provided the baby with medical care.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

yeah, eventually they did. And rosa parks could've "known her place" on the back of the bus. No problem right? I mean, she did get on the bus

Such discrimination harms the children of gay couples, just from knowing they are 2nd class, not to mention there is no justifiable reason for them to be inconvenienced even in the slightest, just because the parents are gay

You seem to care more about trivializing the disgusting behavior of this "doctor"

This was for a wellness visit, there was no cracked skull or other serious issue. You are over dramatizing by saying "eventually they did". From the story: "The new mothers were shocked, hurt and angry, and they proceeded with the appointment with the other doctor, then found another pediatric group for their baby." Sure there was some drama from the physician: ""Dr. told us she didn't even come to the office that morning because she didn't want to see us."

Comparing this to Rosa Parks? Applying that standard to every situation trivializing both your argument and Rosa Parks.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

This was for a wellness visit, there was no cracked skull or other serious issue. You are over dramatizing by saying "eventually they did". From the story: "The new mothers were shocked, hurt and angry, and they proceeded with the appointment with the other doctor, then found another pediatric group for their baby." Sure there was some drama from the physician: ""Dr. told us she didn't even come to the office that morning because she didn't want to see us."

Comparing this to Rosa Parks? Applying that standard to every situation trivializing both your argument and Rosa Parks.

It's only diff if you favor the rights of one group over another. She got on the bus. Where's the harm?? Tell me that please

Here is the harm: "The new mothers were shocked, hurt and angry" - and that is abhorrent for a so-called healer to be a part of
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

I would be interested to hear what that doctors religion is. I have to say I'd be pretty shocked if my daughter's doctor refused to see her anymore because the doctor didn't agree religiously with some part of my lifestyle that had nothing to do with a baby receiving medical care. I'm glad the baby was still able to get medical care.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

"As it turns out, Roi has free choice too - the American Medical Association says physicians cannot refuse to care for patients based on sexual orientation, but doctors can refuse treatment if it's incompatible with their personal, religious or moral beliefs.In Michigan - there are no laws that protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender families from discrimination."

That law will change real soon.
Yes, because clearly the US is circling the drain.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

"a freaking baby is being denied medical care"

The baby wasn't denied medical care. Another doctor in the practice provided the baby with medical care.

This was for a wellness visit, there was no cracked skull or other serious issue. You are over dramatizing by saying "eventually they did".



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