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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Are you being obtuse or you are really not capable to grasp the issue?


I'm not having trouble "getting" what your incessant whining posts are about. You think the doctor is a bigot.

prometeus, ask her how not seeing a baby because the parents are gay is not bigotry and watch her dance

She'll blather something about it being based on religious principle (without being able to identify the religious principle of not treating a baby whose parents are gay) as if being religious and being bigoted were mutually exclusive
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

Seems like a daily race to the media with somebody somewhere trying to spin something into racism / discrimination.
Then thee are days when bigots offer it without any reservations and people like you try to spin it into something benign.

It is becoming tiresome.
Your spin, yes, so save your energy and stop the spin.
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

Seems like a daily race to the media with somebody somewhere trying to spin something into racism / discrimination.

The doctor refused to see a baby because its' parents are gay. How is that *not* discrimination?
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Your strawman looks great. Where would you draw the line. Life lost? Multiple lives lost? How many?
Lost lives? Are you sure you're in the right thread?
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

I'm not having trouble "getting" what your incessant whining posts are about.
Who is whining. Just pointing out the bigotry and your inability to grasp certain things.

You think the doctor is a bigot.
No, that is an established fact. You think that she is not and of course you are mistaken.

She's hurt your feelings, too.
No, I had no interaction with her.

I don't really care.
I do not give a crap if you do or do not.

This is a non-story.
To an apologist and denier probably not, but the again you do not determine such things.

The baby is fine. The baby got her wellness check.
Nobody said that the infant did not get the care. Stop beating the dead horse, it can not feel it.

That's what they wanted, and that's what they got.
along with the discrimination. They did not want that. Nobody wants bigotry, that is no decent civilized people want bigotry. You seem to like it.

Don't expect everyone to share your outrage.
Intelligent and sensible people already do, you do not count so much for me.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Yes, I asked a simple question, which part did you find difficult to grasp?
The relevance. Hence asking if you were in the right thread. All caught up, now? Or do you need me to repeat it a third time...
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

The relevance. Hence asking if you were in the right thread. All caught up, now? Or do you need me to repeat it a third time...
Yes I asked a simple question and you still are not capable of grasping it.
Let me break it down to simple sentences and ask someone with reading comprehension ability to translate it for you.
You asserted that there is no danger from Christian zealots taking over government. The counter assertion was that zealots do exist and they do pose a danger. Along that line I asked where would you draw a line, at life or multiple lives lost to the effect of religious zealots.
Hope that helps.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Yes I asked a simple question and you still are not capable of grasping it.
Let me break it down to simple sentences and ask someone with reading comprehension ability to translate it for you.
You asserted that there is no danger from Christian zealots taking over government. The counter assertion was that zealots do exist and they do pose a danger. Along that line I asked where would you draw a line, at life or multiple lives lost to the effect of religious zealots.
Hope that helps.
Yeah, not really. Usually there some sort of logic used in tying statements together to form what is called a rational argument.

Sorry.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Are you being obtuse or you are really not capable to grasp the issue? It is not about group practice or who saw the infant but strictly about the action of one single doctor. She agreed to be the pediatrician of the infant in a prenatal visit. She set up the appointment and the declined to see the infant. She was not hit by a bus, was not on the moon or on vacation, she did not want to see the infant, because she is a bigot. Which part of any of this do you have so much difficulty getting?

Don't forget, she skipped work to avoid telling them to their face she's a bigot!!

But it's OK. Same way it'd be OK if a black family sat down for dinner and the manager said, "so sorry, but you'll have to change tables - this waiter prayed on it and doesn't feel he can give you good service cause he's a racist, but we have other waiters who will serve blacks, so no harm done!"

I'm surprised you can't see this - clear as day to me.....:shock:

/sarcasm.

More seriously, that she couldn't tell them to their face is what's sad to me. It's almost as if her (perhaps decent) conscience was trying to tell her something, and her religion wouldn't let it. Whatever was going on, she knew it was wrong enough to avoid facing her decision.
 
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Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

Seems like a daily race to the media with somebody somewhere trying to spin something into racism / discrimination.

It is becoming tiresome.

Could be but no spinning required in this case. It wasn't racism, but bigotry, and I'm not sure what discrimination against gays would look like except, "I will refuse to provide service to you because you are gay." Seems to meet the dictionary definition pretty well to me!
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

If you don't like the way this service provider runs their business, then find another one.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

You don't know much about group practices, I see. You don't always get the doctor you want. Sometimes you see a different one. It isn't a national tragedy when you can't see the one. It happens all the time.

It isn't irrelevant that she works for a group practice. Again, you don't know what a group practice is.

Not irrelevant stupid drivel. It's a fact. They have no right to demand a specific pediatrician.

We've all been discriminated against. Not everyone likes everyone else. Most adults don't whine about it. Thank goodness.

Actually, no. When I go to a group practice - I'm going to see a specific doctor. I don't get shunted off to a different one.

And they had met with THIS DOCTOR while they were still pregnant. They made a "well baby" appt with THIS DOCTOR.

Jeez. You really are reaching hard here, aren't you? Well, dear, just give it up and toddle off to bed, ok? You are rewriting the facts to fit your narrative, and it must be hurting your head.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Are you being obtuse or you are really not capable to grasp the issue? It is not about group practice or who saw the infant but strictly about the action of one single doctor. She agreed to be the pediatrician of the infant in a prenatal visit. She set up the appointment and the declined to see the infant. She was not hit by a bus, was not on the moon or on vacation, she did not want to see the infant, because she is a bigot. Which part of any of this do you have so much difficulty getting?

oh m you said this so much better than I did!

Is Tres Borrachos always this hard-headed?
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

Seems like a daily race to the media with somebody somewhere trying to spin something into racism / discrimination.

It is becoming tiresome.

Then I recommend you stop reading this thread.
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

To be quite honest this did surprise me. For some reason I thought that educated people can and would rise above such blatant bigotry, but I guess that low life imbeciles exist in every walk of life.
This doctor refused to treat an infant because the parents are gay.
Lesbian couple says Michigan pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation | 7online.com

Fortunately most doctors are smart enough not to be bigots regardless of their religious beliefs.
 
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If you do not discriminate you are not a bigot. It is action that makes on, in my view at least. We all like and dislike any number of things, but it is our actions vis-a-vis people that can turn us into bigots.

See, this is why I asked this question of you, and specifically to those that throw that word around hap-hazard. We do discriminate, ALL OF US, and our discrimination is generally brought about by our understanding brought about by experience of the world around us. I'm not a religious person, nor would I discriminate if I owned a business, mainly because I love money more than I hate anything in particular. But that being stated does not negate the fact that some people choose to discriminate based on any number of variables, and of which sexual proclivity being one of them, whether for religious or personal reasons, we have a right here in America to do exactly that. Some can debate whether a business or a service is directly reflective of the individual, and the SCOTUS has somewhat hinted at that being the case with recent campaign finance legislation, but I would welcome that debate, as I'm sure people on both sides have valid arguments for and against. In a weird sort of way, this is what I was getting at all along; in that, people are so afraid these days to even begin the debate, to have the talk about politically charged topics because of the terms and rhetoric thrown about by either side. That isn't America, our congress doesn't avoid topics that are hard, our Executive doesn't, nor does our Judicial. In fact, our whole existence was to promote exactly this kind of debate, and to form a consensus or compromise with the knowledge that sometimes we'll get it wrong, but eventually it'll correct itself.

You can't correct something if no one is willing to voice any concerns, conversely, you can't get something done if no one is willing to come forward and present compelling arguments for why a change needs to be made. I find it somewhat ironic that on a message board specifically designed with that concept in mind, we often devolve into rhetorical, illogical attacks on the others ideas. I think if someone has a silly argument, or inarticulate, or illogical, it is the responsibility of the members here to present a more compelling rebuttal, but do it a respectful manner without impugning or otherwise inferring motives.

There are many legitimate reasons for someone to be put off by homosexual lifestyles, religious expression being but one of them, but like any other character trait, we should be able to choose with whom we associate, and I think that ultimately that was the intent of the founding Fathers.


Tim-
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Perhaps the pediatrician was terrorized by the thought that the lesbian couple would ask for decorated cake.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Keep talking.

Of course I will, i enjoy pointing you your dodges and further exposing your posts.
Now we are still waiting, can you present any facts to back up the claims you made and multiple posters proved wrong? Please do so in you next post. Thanks!
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

Her religion is what's irrelevant. I wasn't curious about her religion.

still weird you were curious about something that is irrelevant
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

The baby was given the treatment they expected when they went there. I assume they took the baby for a wellness check, not validation of their sexual preferences by someone else. If that was their reason for going to the office that day, their request was satisfied.
It seems gays need to be validated by everyone they meet or they turn into assholes. That has to be some kind of disorder.
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

still weird you were curious about something that is irrelevant

She said, in the very quote you replied too, that she "wasn't" curious about her religion? And that because of that her religion was irrelevant. In context what that translates too is that her religion is irrelevant, and that she isn't curious about it. But that's what she said, but some people apparently need guidance navigating the nuances of the English language. ;)


Tim-
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

The doctor refused to see a baby because its' parents are gay. How is that *not* discrimination?
It's protected discrimination.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

Don't forget, she skipped work to avoid telling them to their face she's a bigot!!

But it's OK. Same way it'd be OK if a black family sat down for dinner and the manager said, "so sorry, but you'll have to change tables - this waiter prayed on it and doesn't feel he can give you good service cause he's a racist, but we have other waiters who will serve blacks, so no harm done!"

I'm surprised you can't see this - clear as day to me.....:shock:

/sarcasm.

More seriously, that she couldn't tell them to their face is what's sad to me. It's almost as if her (perhaps decent) conscience was trying to tell her something, and her religion wouldn't let it. Whatever was going on, she knew it was wrong enough to avoid facing her decision.
I knew a few waiters who avoid black customers at all cost.

...because black people are lousy tippers, they say.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

I knew a few waiters who avoid black customers at all cost.

...because black people are lousy tippers, they say.

And that's true, my wife was a waitress for a few years and this was almost always the case.


Tim-
 
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