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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

prometeus said:
I did not, I brought up the bigotry of the doctor who refused treatment to a 6 days old infant, based on some prejudice.
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It's her right to be a bigot.

#'murikuh
 
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roguenuke said:
They did in fact find another doctor. They did the one appointment with the "substitute", then got another doctor/group. The "facility" didn't select another doctor for them. The doctor that refused to see their daughter asked her colleague to see their child for that appointment (which it was good that she agreed and was able), and then they found themselves another doctor altogether to go to.
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OP's article says otherwise but it doesn't matter since the child was seen and no harm was don.

Our Constitution gives people the right to be bigots if they want to be.
 
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Jerry said:
OP's article says otherwise but it doesn't matter since the child was seen and no harm was don.

Our Constitution gives people the right to be bigots if they want to be.
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Where? The article I read said they were seen by the doctor their doctor asked to fill in for them for that appt, then found a different doctor.

Public accommodation laws have been held up by the Court as constitutional. And we have a right to call her and those like her out on their bigotry.
 
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prometeus said:
And your to support such despicable behavior.
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I don't support it in the least, but I do condone it. So long as the child was treated, nothing else matters.
 
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AGENT J said:
Translation: you are still dodging and your posts are still losing
Please let us know when you cant back up your claims, thanks
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So that was over your head. Got it.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
So that was over your head. Got it.
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Translation: your horrifically illogical straw man failed and now you are deflecting. Got it lol
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Lying is very un becoming of you.
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another failed deflection lol
the solution is easy, make better posts instead of mentally inane straw-man and your have better success
 
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AGENT J said:
another failed deflection lol
the solution is easy, make better posts instead of mentally inane straw-man and your have better success
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Thanks for proving you cant debate the topic and need to lie about someone to totally deflect from the OP.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Thanks for proving you cant debate the topic and need to lie about someone to totally deflect from the OP.
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another deflection: theres nothing to debate you posted a failed strawman and lie and got caught
your post fails and facts win again
 
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AGENT J said:
another deflection: theres nothing to debate you posted a failed strawman and lie and got caught
your post fails and facts win again
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Shhhh, you already said that. Its still wrong. Find another tact.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Shhhh, you already said that. Its still wrong. Find another tact.
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LOL still dodging and sinking even deeper.
all you have to do is post one fact that supports your failed claim and you'll teach me real good BUT you keep dodging that because you know you cant
I bet you DODGE it again too lol
facts win again
 
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AGENT J said:
LOL still dodging and sinking even deeper.
all you have to do is post one fact that supports your failed claim and you'll teach me real good BUT you keep dodging that because you know you cant
I bet you DODGE it again too lol
facts win again
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Keep talking.
 
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Jerry said:
...but I do condone it.
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Well at least you openly admit to condoning bigotry. It is a lot more than some others who do the same but lack the integrity to admit it.

So long as the child was treated, nothing else matters.
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The issue is the bigotry of the doctor and where would society end up if everyone like you condoned such despicable acts, so yes it matters, while the diversion about the treatment does not.
 
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prometeus said:
Well at least you openly admit to condoning bigotry. It is a lot more than some others who do the same but lack the integrity to admit it.
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That's what tolorance is, to let something be inspite you're dislike of it.
 
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prometeus said:
Sorry for the length it took to get back to you on this.
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No Problem..


I do not like Indian cuisine and honestly I can not explain why. It is not inaccurate to use the word bigot in labeling me in this regard, yet I have never been called a bigot even when I was in India.
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Preference and tastes in food is hardly analogous to bigotry in the context we're (you're) using it here, agreed?


So to answer you question directly, my usage of bigot is in reference to a person who discriminates.
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I understand that, but I challenged you to provide a circumstance where one could be personally turned off by, or of not condoning of homosexuality and NOT be a bigot.


Rejecting a lifestyle is a lame line of reasoning, because i simply do not believe that you have ever been asked to join.
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Asked to join? Did you really just say that? I reject many lifestyles, and character traits in people. I choose my associates rather carefully, do you not do the same?


Avoiding, not associating etc are not acts of bigotry.
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And this Doctor was making a conscientious choice to avoid associating with these lesbian parents, both personally and professionally.


Discrimination is, denial of service is just as much as endorsing such acts.
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Denial or service is a very common thing. More so than you seem willing to admit. This Doctor was obviously motivated by her faith, but even if she were not, we as American's perhaps more than any other society have the right to associate with whomever we please, and this usually entails a careful approach to exactly how we choose our associations, and by what measure we wish to choose for them. This is not bigotry! Bigotry in the context used here in this thread and the way you're using it, means to hold a negative opinion or viewpoint of a person, despite evidence to the contrary.


Tim-
 
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Deuce said:
This family wasn't being treated equally.
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The baby was seen by a medical professional. The family went there to have their baby seen by a medical professional. The family got the same treatment as the other families who brought their children to be seen by a medical professional. They got the exact same service for presumably the exact same price. They were treated equally.
 
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roguenuke said:
Yes, actually it is relevant. You keep talking about "no harm" being done. That indicates that you believe that harm must be done for laws to cover something. Then do you or do you not agree with public accommodation laws that prevent doctors from denying service to people due to their race, sex, religion, etc? That is absolutely relevant because the situations would be the same except the class being used to deny service, one is protected, the other isn't, by the law.
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We already talked about doctors not being able to refuse to see patients in an emergency.
 
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tres borrachos said:
The baby was seen by a medical professional. The family went there to have their baby seen by a medical professional. The family got the same treatment as the other families who brought their children to be seen by a medical professional. They got the exact same service for presumably the exact same price. They were treated equally.
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Separate really WAS sometimes equal, even in the 1940s and 1950s. We still got rid of the idea when it comes to race. We'll eventually get rid of the idea when it comes to sexual orientation, too.
 
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roguenuke said:
They did in fact find another doctor. They did the one appointment with the "substitute", then got another doctor/group. The "facility" didn't select another doctor for them. The doctor that refused to see their daughter asked her colleague to see their child for that appointment (which it was good that she agreed and was able), and then they found themselves another doctor altogether to go to.
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That was their choice to leave the group. What does that have to do with what Jerry posted?
 
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JasperL said:
Separate really WAS sometimes equal, even in the 1940s and 1950s. We still got rid of the idea when it comes to race. We'll eventually get rid of the idea when it comes to sexual orientation, too.
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The baby was given the treatment they expected when they went there. I assume they took the baby for a wellness check, not validation of their sexual preferences by someone else. If that was their reason for going to the office that day, their request was satisfied.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) of course not cause that would be stupid
2.) didnt say you did
3.) weird that you were curious then
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Her religion is what's irrelevant. I wasn't curious about her religion.
 
Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

tres borrachos said:
The baby was given the treatment they expected when they went there. I assume they took the baby for a wellness check, not validation of their sexual preferences by someone else. If that was their reason for going to the office that day, their request was satisfied.
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There isn't much to say other than in my own view, but obviously not yours, whether discrimination in the marketplace based on sexual preference is ethically or morally acceptable is not a facts and circumstances question.

So we can agree to disagree.
 
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