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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

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tres borrachos said:
I disagree. If I buy a ticket I expect that my ticket gets me the same privilege as anyone else who bought the ticket. I don't think anyone had more right to seats in the front of the bus than she did. By the same token, I also don't believe that she had more right to a seat in the front than anyone else either.
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Just so it is clear, Rosa Parks was asked to move from her seat, which wasn't even in the front of the bus, but rather the front of the blacks section up til the white people started to overflow into the black section, leading to the driver moving the sign back, and then demanding that Rosa move from the seat she had (legally) been in til the driver moved the area further back, where there were no more seats.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
What type of doctor 'develops a relationship' with the parents (etc)?

I've taken my kids to the same team of doctors for years and outside of checkups and sick-visits there's no 'relationship'. We see whomever's on call. So I don't even get the 'issue' here - claiming it matters, it's just odd.
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I think it might have something to do with the fact that she's a D.O. and not an M.D.
Either way, she's an unprofessional emotional basket case and I wouldn't trust her with my child. I've seen a doctor come undone in a similar manner and I couldn't get away from her fast enough. I find it really unsettling when professionals become irrational like that.
 
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Jerry said:
The child was not denied treatment.
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Of course the child was denied treatment by the doctor who took on the child as a patient in a prenatal visit then decided not to treat the infant.

The child received treatment from a qualified physician and at the same appointment. Treatment wasn't even delayed.
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Not the issue.
 
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Hicup said:
May I ask you or anyone else for that matter, just exactly under what circumstances a person could not be a bigot for rejecting homosexual lifestyles? Under what circumstances would it be permissible for someone to object to sexual proclivity? Is someone a bigot, for example to avoid people that say, enjoy anal sex, or BDSM, or wife swapping, etc.. etc..? Would they too be bigoted? I'm just asking because if the answer is "well gee, I suppose someone not accepting of people that are into BDSM are not bigoted", then might I suggest that you slow down on the rhetoric that is purely designed to shame the person you're disagreeing with, and begin to debate the subject matter in a mature, more open way, and win with your ideas rather than your rhetoric.


Tim-
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Sorry for the length it took to get back to you on this.

I do not like Indian cuisine and honestly I can not explain why. It is not inaccurate to use the word bigot in labeling me in this regard, yet I have never been called a bigot even when I was in India.
So to answer you question directly, my usage of bigot is in reference to a person who discriminates.
Rejecting a lifestyle is a lame line of reasoning, because i simply do not believe that you have ever been asked to join. Avoiding, not associating etc are not acts of bigotry. Discrimination is, denial of service is just as much as endorsing such acts.
 
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roguenuke said:
Not everyone has options. First some places are too small to have more than one or possibly two doctors, particularly for "non emergencies". Second, insurance companies and what is covered or not does have a huge impact as to which doctors a person can choose. This means that it is not as simple as "choose a different doctor" for many people.

In this sort of case, the course of action the couple is taking is great. Choosing a different doctor and spreading their story about this doctor's discrimination. Doctors should not be immune to bad publicity when they do something like this.

And I don't know the circumstances that "sent" you to that particular doctor, but such questions are inappropriate for any doctor to ask, even if not illegal. I would say that passing on such information about that doctor to others, like that he/she asks inappropriate religion based questions during examination time is something that should be done. It warns others about the person they may be considering to have as their doctor.
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I am glad they found another doctor, but you are absolutely correct - it's not always possible. In rural areas, it's a lot harder to find another doctor. You may have to travel 30 or 40 miles or more to find one, especially if it is a specialist.


I admit, I didn't read through the entire thread; it's gotten too long and I just opened it up. Someone else may have already agreed and expanded on your post.

And per a couple posts - what religion visits the "sins" of the parent on to the child? Does the doctor also not treat children of divorced people? single parents? people who have felony convictions?
 
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prometeus said:
Of course the child was denied treatment by the doctor who took on the child as a patient in a prenatal visit then decided not to treat the infant.

Not the issue.
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The child received treatment. There was no delay or lack of quality of the treatment. That a given physician elected to drop a patient is immaterial.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
I am glad they found another doctor...
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They didn't find another doctor because they never looked for another doctor because the facility had already selected another doctor for them before they even learned of the first doctor's opinion.
 
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Jerry said:
The child received treatment. There was no delay or lack of quality of the treatment. That a given physician elected to drop a patient is immaterial.
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Repeating the irrelevant part does not alter that irrelevancy.
 
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prometeus said:
Repeating the irrelevant part does not alter that irrelevancy.
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So then stop bringing up the doctor being switched out and problem solved.
 
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Jerry said:
So then stop bringing up the doctor being switched out and problem solved.
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I did not, I brought up the bigotry of the doctor who refused treatment to a 6 days old infant, based on some prejudice.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
What type of doctor 'develops a relationship' with the parents (etc)?

I've taken my kids to the same team of doctors for years and outside of checkups and sick-visits there's no 'relationship'. We see whomever's on call. So I don't even get the 'issue' here - claiming it matters, it's just odd.
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The term has legal significance, so anytime you have been seen by a doctor, you have "developed a relationship" whether or not you see it as such. It is much more difficult to refuse treatment to someone once this relationship has been established.
 
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Taylor said:
The term has legal significance, so anytime you have been seen by a doctor, you have "developed a relationship" whether or not you see it as such. It is much more difficult to refuse treatment to someone once this relationship has been established.
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That is not the type of relationship being discussed here
 
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sangha said:
That is not the type of relationship being discussed here
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I don't see why not.
 
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sangha said:
but not merely because "that's what people want them to do" as you claimed originally.
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I can't find where I made the statement you are quoting, so I can't comment.
 
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Jerry said:
They didn't find another doctor because they never looked for another doctor because the facility had already selected another doctor for them before they even learned of the first doctor's opinion.
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They did in fact find another doctor. They did the one appointment with the "substitute", then got another doctor/group. The "facility" didn't select another doctor for them. The doctor that refused to see their daughter asked her colleague to see their child for that appointment (which it was good that she agreed and was able), and then they found themselves another doctor altogether to go to.
 
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roguenuke said:
They did in fact find another doctor. They did the one appointment with the "substitute", then got another doctor/group. The "facility" didn't select another doctor for them. The doctor that refused to see their daughter asked her colleague to see their child for that appointment (which it was good that she agreed and was able), and then they found themselves another doctor altogether to go to.
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Exactly. They went in ; a different doctor showed for the appt; then after that appt they found another facility that was more welcoming.

Luckily, they were in an area where there WERE other facilities. It would have been awkward (in my opinion) to keep going to the same facility, risking running into the doctor who refused to treat their child.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
I can't find where I made the statement you are quoting, so I can't comment.
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It's what you said. If all you had complained about was the govt forcing people to do something, I would have taken a different tack and pointed out that the govt does that all the time. They force people to not murder each other, cross streets at the corner on red lights, not litter, take care of their children, etc.

So you didn't just complain that the govt forces people to do things. That's what govts do. And if you didn't claim that they were forcing people because that was what people wanted the govt to do then why did you complain about the govt forcing people to do things ?
 
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tres borrachos said:
1.)So you don't assume she's Christian. Okay. Good.
2.)I don't care what her religion is.
3.)It isn't relevant anyway.
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1.) of course not cause that would be stupid
2.) didnt say you did
3.) weird that you were curious then
 
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CRUE CAB said:
We? Who is we? You not capable of just being you and making your stand?
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Translation: you are still dodging and your posts are still losing
Please let us know when you cant back up your claims, thanks
 
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PeteEU said:
You know very well what I mean. The child needed care and refusing care is a fundamental break of any doctors oath or position.
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What you mean, is that you want the part of Hippocratic oath that you agree with, enforced.
 
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chad1389 said:
"As it turns out, Roi has free choice too - the American Medical Association says physicians cannot refuse to care for patients based on sexual orientation, but doctors can refuse treatment if it's incompatible with their personal, religious or moral beliefs.In Michigan - there are no laws that protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender families from discrimination."

That law will change real soon.
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"Or the free exersize thereof"
Thats the constitution not a law. Takes some doing to change that.
 
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dogtowner said:
"Or the free exersize thereof"
Thats the constitution not a law. Takes some doing to change that.
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Don't think it will happen? LGBTQ society can pretty much change anything. I give it about 10 years if this becomes a serious issue.
 
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chad1389 said:
Don't think it will happen? LGBTQ society can pretty much change anything. I give it about 10 years if this becomes a serious issue.
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I'm hoping the vast majority of doctors are NOT like the doctor in the opp, so that this doesn't become a big issue.
 
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