Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

JANFU · Feb 20, 2015

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tres borrachos said:
The child got care that day. As far as what friends the doctor has, I assume those are rhetorical musings and I'm not sure why they're in a post that you are making with my post quoted in it. I don't know about her friends and really wouldn't care about what friends a doctor in Michigan has.

Abortion? Turning off equipment? Not sure what they have to do with what I posted. I know quite a few pro-life doctors. None of them perform abortions. They aren't in that field. Turning off equipment I didn't think was medical care. And is there a crisis in this country that involve doctors refusing to turn off equipment? I wasn't aware of one.

In the link posted earlier,end of life, some Jewish Drs. cannot do that due to religious beliefs.
Same with abortion- against religious beliefs.
As to her friends, it shows she is not strict in her religious beliefs if she associates/friends with Gays, is the point I was making.
Lastly- i wander at times in my replies.
So please bear with me.

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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Declan said:
Neither does saying all segregation is bad. You are welcome. I always enjoy proving people inadequate for their assertions.

I never said all segregation. I said 'segregation.'.....it refers to the institutionalization of that policy. And you failed in your attempt to rebut it. And then you wrote something incomprehensible.

That's a good way to 'win on the Internet!' Just write jibberish and claim no one else can understand!

tres borrachos · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
Ah...so you tried to get me to support RP pretending that it was relevant? And now that I've proven it was, you want to deny it?

Sorry my arguments are inconvenient for you. You just admitted the parallel that you clearly wrote out, in bold, and that I connected...now doesnt work for you.

LMAO. Yeah, we'll just stick with my signature below, in green. Your words are there too....I made sure to keep it all bold.

I told you a few posts ago that I was laughing at the attempt to bring Rosa Parks into this, but I was willing to play along. In the end, you were trying to compare Rosa Parks to this baby - and I have no idea why. It isn't inconvenient. It's silly, and I said that posts ago. Why not bring Emmett Till into it while we're at it? This baby isn't a martyr. The baby wasn't harmed, and the baby doesn't represent a race or group of babies being harmed by anything.

Am I supposed to be upset or something by all of the drama in this post? Signature lines, my words in bold, etc. Are you getting at something? Because I don't understand, and for some reason, you seem to want me to care about your signature line.

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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tres borrachos said:
I told you a few posts ago that I was laughing at the attempt to bring Rosa Parks into this, but I was willing to play along. In the end, you were trying to compare Rosa Parks to this baby - and I have no idea why. It isn't inconvenient. It's silly, and I said that posts ago. Why not bring Emmett Till into it while we're at it? This baby isn't a martyr. The baby wasn't harmed, and the baby doesn't represent a race or group of babies being harmed by anything.

Am I supposed to be upset or something by all of the drama in this post? Signature lines, my words in bold, etc. Are you getting at something? Because I don't understand, and for some reason, you seem to want me to care about your signature line.

Not at all. It's all there in black and blue, lol. Your words, bolded and clear as day for everyone, and the exact parallels.

I have no worries. Like the sig says....

tres borrachos · Feb 20, 2015

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JANFU said:
In the link posted earlier,end of life, some Jewish Drs. cannot do that due to religious beliefs.
Same with abortion- against religious beliefs.
As to her friends, it shows she is not strict in her religious beliefs if she associates/friends with Gays, is the point I was making.
Lastly- i wander at times in my replies.
So please bear with me.

Then I guess that's on the Jewish doctors to explain why they want to be doctors if they can't be doctors. You got me.

I don't care about people's religious beliefs unless they try to inflict them on me, or force me to think as they do. I also don't denigrate those people as others do here. It seems the ones who are most vocal about the intolerance of religious people are the same ones who are intolerant towards them. That's why I find these threads so fascinating. They don't even know how hypocritical they are.

Logicman · Feb 20, 2015

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PeteEU said:
Should have her license revoked... there is only one rule for doctors.. the Hippocratic oath

Liberal physicians don't mind breaking their Hippocratic oath when butchering the innocent unborn.

tres borrachos · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
Not at all. It's all there in black and blue, lol. Your words, bolded and clear as day for everyone, and the exact parallels.

I have no worries. Like the sig says....

Fascinating, but I didn't post either of those quotes in your signature line. And thanks for bolding my posts for "everyone". I have nothing to hide, I guess. My posts are very clear and always the same. I think you seem to think my words are critical to everyone, so if it makes you feel important making my words "bolded and clear as day for everyone", I'm glad I could make you happy.

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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tres borrachos said:
Fascinating, but I didn't post either of those quotes in your signature line. And thanks for bolding my posts for "everyone". I have nothing to hide, I guess. My posts are very clear and always the same. I think you seem to think my words are critical to everyone, so if it makes you feel important making my words "bolded and clear as day for everyone", I'm glad I could make you happy.

LOLOL

My signature in green applies to how people's posts are judged, I'll spell it out: you can deny all you want....everyone else is reading it too.

I made my point, clearly, and bolded YOUR WORDS (and some of mine) to make sure that that was evident. I'm glad you want to stick by them. You dont have much choice now really.

tres borrachos · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
LOLOL

My signature in green applies to how people's posts are judged, I'll spell it out: you can deny all you want....everyone else is reading it too.

I made my point, clearly, and bolded YOUR WORDS (and some of mine) to make sure that that was evident. I'm glad you want to stick by them. You dont have much choice now really.

Everyone else is reading too? I would assume everyone who read this thread read all of the posts in it, mine included. Is that supposed to be a revelation to me?

If you are trying to get everyone to see that I don't compare Rosa Parks to this story, okay. Is that supposed to be noteworthy? I didn't think my opinion on this was something everyone on the board was following. So this supposed "denial" I'm making is all in your head, I think. I don't even know what denial you see, but I'm not into the drama queen posts I guess. :shrug:

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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tres borrachos said:
Everyone else is reading too? I would assume everyone who read this thread read all of the posts in it, mine included. Is that supposed to be a revelation to me?

If you are trying to get everyone to see that I don't compare Rosa Parks to this story, okay. Is that supposed to be noteworthy? I didn't think my opinion on this was something everyone on the board was following. So this supposed "denial" I'm making is all in your head, I think. I don't even know what denial you see, but I'm not into the drama queen posts I guess. :shrug:

Like I said...no worries. I'm happy with what I've written and that my point came across clearly, even if you choose not to recognize it.

Henrin · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
LOLOL

My signature in green applies to how people's posts are judged, I'll spell it out: you can deny all you want....everyone else is reading it too.

Kind of like how people are free to judge the following ignorance by you?

Lursa said:
His was a ridiculous objection. Circumcision does no harm. It may be painful but many procedures doctors perform are painful. Doesnt make the wrong or unethical, lol. Yeah, that injection was totally unethical! Give it to me on a spoon instead! lol. Oh, dont pierce my ears! It's unethical! :doh

So, did you research the topic yet? Perhaps figure out how cutting off the foreskin is harmful? Perhaps figure out that it has actual functions that are removed when it is cut off? :lamo

tres borrachos · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
Like I said...no worries. I'm happy with what I've written and that my point came across clearly, even if you choose not to recognize it.

I'm glad your point comes across clearly. It doesn't come across clearly to me. If your point was that this baby is the new Rosa Parks, you're right, it won't ever come across to me. I don't think my grandchildren will learn about this baby in their history classes, and I don't believe we'll have a month recognizing "Children of Gay Couples". Just a hunch.

Hicup · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
Like I said...no worries. I'm happy with what I've written and that my point came across clearly, even if you choose not to recognize it.

Well, I didn't get it either, so I wouldn't rush to the podium just yet.

Tim-

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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Henrin said:
Kind of like how people are free to judge the following ignorance by you?

So, did you research the topic yet? Perhaps figure out how cutting off the foreskin is harmful? Perhaps figure out that it has actual functions that are removed when it is cut off? :lamo

It's not harmful. It functions perfectly fine.

And I am happy to post things opposite from you....just lends to my credibility overall, lol

sangha · Feb 20, 2015

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AliHajiSheik said:
And I will consistently point out that it is exactly about forcing people to do what they don't want to do

but not merely because "that's what people want them to do" as you claimed originally.

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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Hicup said:
Well, I didn't get it either, so I wouldn't rush to the podium just yet.

Tim-

No problem. If you had followed all the posts, you may. But that's a bit much to ask after all these pages.

sangha · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
LOL yeah? Actually it is treating them like 2nd class citizens.

Actually, it's not because their parents *CHOSE* to send the child to a gender segregated school.

Don't fall for his diversion.

sangha · Feb 20, 2015

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tres borrachos said:
If you want to pretend that this story is somehow parallel to the plight of black people before the 1960s, please do so without me, Lursa. You're making a martyr out of a baby who saw Dr. Y for her wellness check instead of Dr. X. That's ridiculous and way too dramatic for me.

Because segregation is OK if it's just a little bit

Henrin · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
It's not harmful. It functions perfectly fine.

And I am happy to post things opposite from you....just lends to my credibility overall, lol

These are the functions of the foreskin.

Functions:

to cover and bond with the synechia so as to permit the development of the mucosal surface of the glans and inner foreskin.
to protect the glans penis from friction and abrasion throughout life.
to keep the glans moisturized and soft with emollient oils.
to lubricate the glans.
to coat the glans with a waxy protective substance.
to provide sufficient skin to cover an erection by unfolding.
to provide an aid to masturbation and foreplay.
to serve as an aid to penetration.
to reduce friction and chafing during intercourse.
to serve as erogenous tissue because of its rich supply of erogenous receptors.
to contact and stimulate the G-spot of the female partner
The foreskin/glans combination produce a powerful anti mmicrobial compound called Langerin that keeps the area clean and disease free
Provides a lubricating function that assists in sexual intercourse.

Damages when removed besides the loss of the prior functions:

Neural and vascular damage to the penis.
50-75% loss of sexual sensitivity.
Less intense orgasms
removes 75% of the sexually sensitive tissue of the penis
By the time the individual reaches their late 30's and early 40's the glans becomes dried out and calloused over with scar tissue from rubbing on clothes and other material the individuals entire life.
Can cause inability to ejaculate( extremely rare)
Lubrication

Your ignorance on this subject is still embarrassing.

JasperL · Feb 20, 2015

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sangha said:
Because segregation is OK if it's just a little bit

That's what's so funny - the principle is apparently some version of "Discrimination is fine.....so long as in my totally subjective, facts and circumstances test, I determine there was no harm."

And I can't imagine the principled argument against many Jim Crow laws with that 'principle' at work. "Hey, the black couple couldn't stay in the Hilton, but there was a motel a few miles down the street, had a bed and everything! No harm - it's fine." "What's the problem, they had white AND black bathrooms??" Etc.

At least the libertarians have a defensible principle - it's nuts, but one can figure it out.

Henrin · Feb 20, 2015

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JasperL said:
That's what's so funny - the principle is apparently some version of "Discrimination is fine.....so long as in my totally subjective, facts and circumstances test, I determine there was no harm."

And I can't imagine the principled argument against many Jim Crow laws with that 'principle' at work. "Hey, the black couple couldn't stay in the Hilton, but there was a motel a few miles down the street, had a bed and everything! No harm - it's fine." "What's the problem, they had white AND black bathrooms??" Etc.

At least the libertarians have a defensible principle - it's nuts, but one can figure it out.

The right to association, labor and property is not nuts.

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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Henrin said:
These are the functions of the foreskin.

Functions:

to cover and bond with the synechia so as to permit the development of the mucosal surface of the glans and inner foreskin.
to protect the glans penis from friction and abrasion throughout life.
to keep the glans moisturized and soft with emollient oils.
to lubricate the glans.
to coat the glans with a waxy protective substance.
to provide sufficient skin to cover an erection by unfolding.
to provide an aid to masturbation and foreplay.
to serve as an aid to penetration.
to reduce friction and chafing during intercourse.
to serve as erogenous tissue because of its rich supply of erogenous receptors.
to contact and stimulate the G-spot of the female partner
The foreskin/glans combination produce a powerful anti mmicrobial compound called Langerin that keeps the area clean and disease free
Provides a lubricating function that assists in sexual intercourse.

Damages when removed besides the loss of the prior functions:

Neural and vascular damage to the penis.
50-75% loss of sexual sensitivity.
Less intense orgasms
removes 75% of the sexually sensitive tissue of the penis
By the time the individual reaches their late 30's and early 40's the glans becomes dried out and calloused over with scar tissue from rubbing on clothes and other material the individuals entire life.
Can cause inability to ejaculate( extremely rare)
Lubrication

Your ignorance on this subject is still embarrassing.

LOLOL

And still...no real harm done. Things work perfectly fine. Such a desperate attempt to, just once, appear 'right on the Internet.'

I can Google too...and studied this stuff in college...high school too. Hasnt changed my opinion.

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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JasperL said:
That's what's so funny - the principle is apparently some version of "Discrimination is fine.....so long as in my totally subjective, facts and circumstances test, I determine there was no harm."

And I can't imagine the principled argument against many Jim Crow laws with that 'principle' at work. "Hey, the black couple couldn't stay in the Hilton, but there was a motel a few miles down the street, had a bed and everything! No harm - it's fine." "What's the problem, they had white AND black bathrooms??" Etc.

At least the libertarians have a defensible principle - it's nuts, but one can figure it out.

NO! That's not relevant to the OP!!! You've been told that...because even when the parallels were plainly written out and color-coded (upon request)...they werent true! /sarcasm

Henrin · Feb 20, 2015

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Lursa said:
LOLOL

And still...no real harm done. Things work perfectly fine. Such a desperate attempt to, just once, appear 'right on the Internet.'

I can Google too...and studied this stuff in college...high school too. Hasnt changed my opinion.

Lol. No harm done other the harms and loss of functions I listed? Tell me, how many parts of the vagina keep the clitoris lubricated? Now, tell me what those parts are called. I'll wait.

Lursa · Feb 20, 2015

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Henrin said:
Lol. No harm done other the harms and loss of functions I listed? Tell me, how many parts of the vagina keep the clioris lubricated? Now, tell me what those parts are called. I'll wait.

There's no harm in those losses. it may be a little 'less'. But I dont hear men complaining that they arent enjoying sex.

Hey, did you ever tell me how much we need our appendix...what harm it does removing that?

LOLOLOLOL Please, I know I've embarrassed you several times in the past but this one isnt going to get you the satisfaction that you seek.

Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

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