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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

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LOL i KNEW you wouldnt answer because it further expose the failure in your posts
also you MIGHT want to read the thread again you seem lost and have no clue what you are talking about lol
let us know when you have any facts that support your failed claims, thanks!
You still haven't posted any facts that you say support your idiotic claims.
 
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There are Christian religions that oppose interracial and interfaith marriages. Do they get the same ability to deny checkups to a child that has mixed faith or mixed parents? What about a Christian doctor who refuses to see children of unwed mothers?

I asked him a question about his post because I hope he clarifies it. I'm not interested in debating marriages. You have to ask someone who is.
 
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who said that?
also youll have to be more specific with the word oppose and marriage . . . .
to give an answer that might help you, yes some Christians will not conduct a religious marriage for gays based on their religious beliefs?

You said:

This is false, I dont assume she is a Christian, I am one and Christianity has nothing to do with this in reality, if this woman claims it does she is dishonest.

I was curious why you don't assume she's Christian.
 
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I recall, at some point in my DP history, using the example of "What if a doctor denied baby care because he didn't think the parents should have had a baby" as an intentionally absurd extension to people who are ok with doctors and pharmacologistis denying Plan B and permanent birth control procedures, another place where for some reason Americans allow doctors to refuse to do their job over their sanctimony.

I never imagined in a million years a doctor would be enough of a bigoted prick to actually do it.

It's terrible enough to deny care because you assume a woman is a slut, or you're so patronizing that you don't believe women are intellectually capable of making their own family planning choices.

But to project that onto a baby? Really? This is where America fallen to? And people are defending this? Denying health care to someone who didn't even get to make any choices in the first place, because of who their parents happen to be?

People are so dogmatic about defending the bigoted's supposed "right" to harm others that they would allow a doctor to deny a baby health care? What if this had been an issue of illness, rather than routine?

No law can function in reality, when you look at it in a vacuum. That's why there's a "yelling fire in a crowded room" exception. But if that were to come up as a case today, I bet people would sit there and shrug about people getting trampled to death because some idiot decided to start a stampede, defending his "speech rights."

Doctors who are unwilling to do their job need their license revoked. They should not be able to refuse care because they don't like someone, much less refuse care because they don't like someone who isn't even their patient. Their job is to serve the health of the population. If they can't deal with that, they should do something else.

Is everyone just going to let this get to the point where they have no idea if a given doctor will help them and they just have to knock on doors until they find someone who isn't a selfish asshole? America's health care system is broken enough, without adding in exceptions for bigots to refuse to help their patients.

There was a time when doctors were expected to keep their personal nonsense to themselves and just do their damn job, rather than being permitted to hang people's health in the balance of their judgmentality. If you want to preech to the unwashed masses, go be a pastor.

I don't give a **** about the "free speech" of doctors on the job. Their job is to treat people, not to make a point. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be in the health care profession. People's health is too important to be subject to the whims of bigots.
 
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If I were gay I wouldn't be seeking treatment, service or anything from anyone that looked down upon me, or whispered as I walked by. I understand that the government can legislate laws that provide a legal remedy for discrimination, but it cannot legislate acceptance or tolerance, and the distinction is one really worth noting. Why would you want to have anything done by someone that thinks (For whatever reason or motive) you're dirty and icky, or whatever, why? Are these homosexuals under some delusion that because the government says so, that people all of a sudden will begin accepting them? No, of course not, so why bother? According to a great many here, the public is coming around to gays, and their lifestyle choices, so then it follows that there are many, many other options for any particular service; service that would be performed by someone more open and tolerant, even accepting. That's where I do business if I'm gay. I don't expect someone to just automatically like me..


Tim-
The real real issue is where to draw the line, because not every case works out lie this one where another doctor saw the baby. Life is full of unexpected events and accidents, and if all the people who took it upon themselves to serve the public all of a sudden started picking and choosing who among the public meets their criteria, we would see the end of civilized society.
 
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I think a being a doctor is a profession and a business. And you should reserve the right to do business with whom you choose.

Does that go for cops and firemen too?

This doc was part of a larger practice....

Do cops and firemen give up their right to practice their religious beliefs in the commission of their jobs?
 
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You know if somebody steals from you, like a accountant why would you want to do business with them. I mean i would just take my business elsewhere. Not to mention if they give you the money back or had thier partner give it back, than that would be ok right?. Better yet if after they stole from you but they referred you to the partner that wouldn't steal from you that would probably be a more enjoyable for you. I mean why would you want to do business with somebody that stole from you. Do you expect people will just like you enough not to steal from you? Yeah theres nothign to complain about in that case or think thats it wrong. no need to make stealing in that particular case illegal just go some where else where your business is wanted and its more pleasant for you, its that simply . . .

lol
 
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First do no harm. I have no problem with a bakery withholding a cake based on religious belief. But medical care is a whole nother ballgame. You cant refuse medical care based on sexual orientation.

Absolutely do no harm. But the baby wasn't harmed. The baby got care, just from a different doctor, and the unlike in the case of the baker, the parents didn't have to seek out the other doctor. This doctor arranged it. So what was the harm specifically?
 
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You said:

This is false, I dont assume she is a Christian, I am one and Christianity has nothing to do with this in reality, if this woman claims it does she is dishonest.

I was curious why you don't assume she's Christian.
why would I? do you?
thats easy to answer, theres nothing in Christianity that says she can't provide healthcare to that child
 
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Does that go for cops and firemen too?

This doc was part of a larger practice....

Do cops and firemen give up their right to practice their religious beliefs in the commission of their jobs?

If you're in a group practice as a doctor, do you think you should have the right to ask your partner to cover for you?
 
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The real real issue is where to draw the line, because not every case works out lie this one where another doctor saw the baby. Life is full of unexpected events and accidents, and if all the people who took it upon themselves to serve the public all of a sudden started picking and choosing who among the public meets their criteria, we would see the end of civilized society.

Would we? I think you missed my point though. Drawing the line is done by the one seeking the service, not the one providing it.

Tim-
 
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You still haven't posted any facts that you say support your idiotic claims.

another post and another lie and strawman lol
Try to make a post that doesnt completely fail next time
also we are STILL waiting on you, please let us know when you have any facts that support your failed claims, . . . . heck just ONE will do . . . thanks!
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

why would I? do you?
thats easy to answer, theres nothing in Christianity that says she can't provide healthcare to that child

So you assume she's what....Muslim?

And she didn't refuse to provide healthcare to the child because of her religion. She didn't think she would be the right person to have a doctor/patient relationship with the child's parents because of her religion. Not the same thing.
 
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And if her partner had said "no, I feel the same as you do"? That is the point.

I'm not calling for anything to be legally done to this doctor, but I think it is very important that other people are aware of her religion based bigotry. I also think there should be laws protecting people from it because of the scenarios where there isn't a backup available.

But her partner didn't say no. So you're basing this off a hypothetical. It didn't happen.
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

She served the baby by having her partner see the baby.
It really is astounding, to me at least, the extent to which you go to excuse this behavior.

Which was probably a better experience for the parents as well.
Was it really? Is that the impression you got or you are just deeming it so because of your position?

Why would they want to have a doctor see their baby who refuses to see them the same way a hetero couple is seen?
I would bet you any amount that had they known in advance about her that would have never even gone in the same zip code, but fact is that she saw them in a prenatal visit and then decided that being a bigot is more important than professional standards. A for the "relationship" it is a line of BS. A physician is not supposed to develop a relationship beyond that of a professional one and not a single professional relationship criteria includes bigotry as an acceptable standard.
 
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another post and another lie and strawman lol
Try to make a post that doesnt completely fail next time
also we are STILL waiting on you, please let us know when you have any facts that support your failed claims, . . . . heck just ONE will do . . . thanks!
Excellent circular argument to go nowhere with. Typical gay agenda justification.
 
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1.)So you assume she's what....Muslim?
2.)And she didn't refuse to provide healthcare to the child because of her religion. She didn't think she would be the right person to have a doctor/patient relationship with the child's parents because of her religion. Not the same thing.

1.) weird i dont assume she is anything if you read back you'll see me claim a couple of times id like to know what she is because it makes no sense. i have no clue what she is because i dont know any religion that logically would be the foundation of her decision.
2.) actually they are the same thing who doesnt get the healthcare? the child
but please lets not talk about such a mentally retarded example of splitting hairs like that, im keeping it to topic and will continue to do so.
say we use your wording for ****s and giggles.

I still dont know any religion that would be the foundation to not treat the child based on a patient/doctor/parent relationship :shrug:

and you didnt answer my question.
I asked why would I assume she is christian? would you?
 
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I recall, at some point in my DP history, using the example of "What if a doctor denied baby care because he didn't think the parents should have had a baby" as an intentionally absurd extension to people who are ok with doctors and pharmacologistis denying Plan B and permanent birth control procedures, another place where for some reason we allow doctors to refuse to do their job over their sanctimony.

I never imagined in a million years a doctor would be enough of a bigoted prick to actually do it.

It's terrible enough to deny care because you assume a woman is a slut, or you're so patronizing that you don't believe women are intellectually capable of making their own family planning choices.

But to project that onto a baby? Really? This is where America fallen to? And people are defending this? Denying health care to someone who didn't even get to make any choices in the first place, because of who their parents happen to be?

People are so dogmatic about defending the bigoted's supposed "right" to harm others that they would allow a doctor to deny a baby health care? What if this had been an issue of illness, rather than routine?

No law can function in reality, when you look at it in a vacuum. That's why there's a "yelling fire in a crowded room" exception. But if that were to come up as a case today, I bet people would sit there and shrug about people getting trampled to death because some idiot decided to start a stampede, defending his "speech rights."

Doctors who are unwilling to do their job need their license revoked. They should not be able to refuse care because they don't like someone, much less refuse care because they don't like someone who isn't even their patient. Their job is to serve the health of the population. If they can't deal with that, they should do something else.

Is everyone just going to let this get to the point where they have no idea if a given doctor will help them and they just have to knock on doors until they find someone who isn't a selfish asshole? America's health care system is broken enough, without adding in exceptions for bigots to refuse to help their patients.

There was a time when doctors were expected to keep their personal nonsense to themselves and just do their damn job, rather than being permitted to hang people's health in the balance of their judgmentality. If you want to preech to the unwashed masses, go be a pastor.

I don't give a **** about the "free speech" of doctors on the job. Their job is to treat people, not to make a point. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be in the health care profession. People's health is too important to be subject to the whims of bigots.
Great post, thank you.
 
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Excellent circular argument to go nowhere with. Typical gay agenda justification.

Translation: you got NOTHING lol
thats what we though
facts win again
 
Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

It really is astound, to me at least, the extent to which you go to excuse this behavior.

Was it really? Is that the impression you got or you are just deeming it so because of your position?

I would bet you any amount that had they known in advance about her that would have never even gone in the same zip code, but fact is that she saw them in a prenatal visit and then decided that being a bigot is more important than professional standards. A for the "relationship" it is a line of BS. A physician is not supposed to develop a relationship beyond that of a professional one and not a single professional relationship criteria includes bigotry as an acceptable standard.

I don't care about the behavior. I wouldn't care if Bob down the street called one of the wives a fat sob either. You do. So care about it, but don't expect others to worry about one adult not liking the bedroom preferences of two other adults.

By the way, yes, as a mother of 3, I'm basing my opinion on experience. I changed pediatricians once because I didn't like her bedside manner and the way she talked down to my husband for asking a question. Or am I not allowed to have opinions on doctor selections for my own family because experience isn't important to you?
 
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Would we? I think you missed my point though. Drawing the line is done by the one seeking the service, not the one providing it.

Tim-
I hope you are never in the need of life saving intervention having to do the seeking.
 
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Again people, you are not owed the labor of others. Stop being a bunch of entitled dumbasses.
 
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I hope you are never in the need of life saving intervention having to do the seeking.

These doctors, or in any state, are not permitted to deny emergency care, not even in Michigan. The point I was trying to make is, why wouldn't you as a homosexual seek out service from those that were more accepting?

Tim-
 
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1.) weird i dont assume she is anythign if you read back you;ll see me claim a couple of times id like to know what she is because it makse no sensem i have no clue what she is because i dont know any religion that logical would be the foundation of her decision.
2.) actually they are the same thing who doesnt get the healthcare? the child
but please lets not talk about such a mentally retarded example of splitting hairs like that, im keeping it to topic and will continue to do so.
say we use your wording for ****s and giggles.

I still dont know any religion that would be the foundation to not treat the child based on a patient/parent relationship :shrug:

and you didnt answer my question.
I asked why would I assume she is christian? would you?

I don't assume she's anything. I don't really care what her religion is. It's not relevant to anything.

Not my business what who people marry, and not my business what other adults think of other people's choice of marriage partners, either. She's free to not want to associate with the parents, just as they're free not to want to associate with her.

The baby got medical care.
 
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