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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

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CRUE CAB said:
If I kill someone, how is that violating YOUR rights.
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where did i say if you murder someone else it directly violates my rights?

oh thats right, i didnt. Another failed strawman lol

but lets play out the mentally inept question you asked.
It doesnt so how does giving equal rights to gays violate YOUR rights?
 
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roguenuke said:
Actually, it doesn't matter if the Bible says anything about other minority groups or not, so long as the law allows a religious exemption, the doctors would then be able to deny them service based on this because of their religious beliefs. Believe God is against interracial or interfaith or single parents? A religious exemption technically allows for you to turn these people away, even if you are a doctor. And that is the huge issue with allowing for religious exemptions of discrimination laws. It allows people to use religion as an excuse to discriminate against people even when other reasoning would not fly.
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This can of worms is enormous, considering that the Bible isn't the only religious authority in the world.
 
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AGENT J said:
where did i say if you murder someone else it directly violates my rights?

oh thats right, i didnt. Another failed strawman lol

but lets play out the mentally inept question you asked.
It doesnt so how does giving equal rights to gays violate YOUR rights?
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You are the one blathering about peoples rights and how things effect others lives and marriages.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
You are the one blathering about peoples rights and how things effect others lives and marriages.
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LOL i KNEW you wouldnt answer because it further expose the failure in your posts
also you MIGHT want to read the thread again you seem lost and have no clue what you are talking about lol
let us know when you have any facts that support your failed claims, thanks!
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Just because there is no "direct effect". Does not mean I don't have an opinion.
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Opinions yes, but now you are admitting that it really does not affect you, thus the assertion that you are forced or something is forced no you is just BS.

How does murder affect you?
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The next victim could be you or I or someone we love so it is a danger to all of us. Do you feel that someone might violate you because their marriage is lacking?

If not at all, then it should be legal, right?
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You have to do better than that. This reasoning is just plain stupid.
 
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prometeus said:
Yes, because she is a bigot. You seem to be fine with that.
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I don't care what people think, especially strangers. Just like I don't care what people do in their bedrooms. She's an adult, and I don't tell other adults what to think. Do you?
 
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I'm very skeptical of stories like this. I'd like to know more about the story before I comment fully, but on the face this seems almost unbelievable. I've known any doctor to refuse treatment to anyone for almost any reason. Granted a Pediatrician isn't performing emergency medicine, but still? A lot of the time, these homosexuals have an axe to grind, and purposefully seek out confrontation, but we'll see.

Tim-
 
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sangha said:
They argue that the only harm was that some lesbians had their feelings hurt

And whine when their feelings are hurt by being forced to "accept" homosexuality (even though that's a lie)
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BAM right in the kisser. Well said.
 
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tres borrachos said:
What gives anyone the right to think anything, rocket? What gives you the right to think boys shouldn't wear pink, and old people shouldn't have big dogs? Nothing, really.

As far as a Jewish doctor refusing to see someone because he ate bad pork...sure, why not, if another doctor can see the person and the patient gets the care he needs? As far as a Democratic doctor refusing to treat a uber right wing conservative politician he abhors, sure, why not, as long as there is another doctor who can see the patient and he gets the care he needs? Do we pick doctors based on their personal lifestyle choices, or do we pick them to take care of us?
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You don't know if another doctor can or will see the patient though. Allowing such discrimination allows all doctors to refuse to see patients for those reasons.
 
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roguenuke said:
You don't know if another doctor can or will see the patient though. Allowing such discrimination allows all doctors to refuse to see patients for those reasons.
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Another doctor did see the patient, and she knew that her partner was seeing the patient.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I don't think anyone even knows what religion she is. Nor is it relevant. The baby is fine, she had one of her partners see the baby, and she wrote a note of apology to the parents explaining her reasons why she didn't think she was the right doctor for their baby. It's not a national tragedy.
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She wrote the apology weeks/months later, after the parents started telling others of her actions, from what I understood in the article.
 
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AGENT J said:
This is false, I dont assume she is a Christian, I am one and Christianity has nothing to do with this in reality, if this woman claims it does she is dishonest.
secondly she did in fact reject the couple/child based on thier sexual orientation (what ever she claims it to be) and her own religion. She admitted that.
lastly your example is not analogous unless you can provide the (in some cases) illegal discrimination. But i do agree denying service in general is not a story but bigotry often is.
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There isn't a Christian religion that opposes gay marriage?
 
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tres borrachos said:
I don't care what people think, especially strangers. Just like I don't care what people do in their bedrooms. She's an adult, and I don't tell other adults what to think. Do you?
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No, not at all. If anything I am completely against such things. I do however expect people who freely take on the responsibility to serve others to do so.
 
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roguenuke said:
She wrote the apology weeks/months later, after the parents started telling others of her actions, from what I understood in the article.
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And how does that change anything?
 
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prometeus said:
To be quite honest this did surprise me. For some reason I thought that educated people can and would rise above such blatant bigotry, but I guess that low life imbeciles exist in every walk of life.
This doctor refused to treat an infant because the parents are gay.
Lesbian couple says Michigan pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation | 7online.com
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First do no harm. I have no problem with a bakery withholding a cake based on religious belief. But medical care is a whole nother ballgame. You cant refuse medical care based on sexual orientation.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
I do have news for some of you all. All doctors are not nice people. All of them don't care much about their patients. Many of them are cold uncaring individuals that are in it for the money only.
As a matter of fact, most doctors are pretty much jerk offs that spent alittle longer in college than most.
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Yeah, that's not news. This one is not cold and uncaring, though. She comes off as an emotional basket case and I for one would remove any child of mine from her care at once. How would you feel about some pilot who decided he can't possibly fly the plane because there's a fag baby on board? Would you be comfortable flying with this loon ever again? I sure as hell wouldn't.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Another doctor did see the patient, and she knew that her partner was seeing the patient.
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And if her partner had said "no, I feel the same as you do"? That is the point.

I'm not calling for anything to be legally done to this doctor, but I think it is very important that other people are aware of her religion based bigotry. I also think there should be laws protecting people from it because of the scenarios where there isn't a backup available.
 
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sangha said:
IOW, it's OK to force a doctor to do something against their beliefs, but only when you think it's OK.

But it's wrong for others to do so if they disagree with you.
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Isn't that what government is about, forcing people to do stuff they don't want to do because someone else thinks they should? I was asked for an opinion and I gave it and disagreement on this forum is expected.
 
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tres borrachos said:
And how does that change anything?
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It was not due to her really feeling bad about turning them away. In all likelihood, it was due to her losing patients who learned about the situation. Why couldn't she have apologized that day?
 
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If I were gay I wouldn't be seeking treatment, service or anything from anyone that looked down upon me, or whispered as I walked by. I understand that the government can legislate laws that provide a legal remedy for discrimination, but it cannot legislate acceptance or tolerance, and the distinction is one really worth noting. Why would you want to have anything done by someone that thinks (For whatever reason or motive) you're dirty and icky, or whatever, why? Are these homosexuals under some delusion that because the government says so, that people all of a sudden will begin accepting them? No, of course not, so why bother? According to a great many here, the public is coming around to gays, and their lifestyle choices, so then it follows that there are many, many other options for any particular service; service that would be performed by someone more open and tolerant, even accepting. That's where I do business if I'm gay. I don't expect someone to just automatically like me..


Tim-
 
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tres borrachos said:
There isn't a Christian religion that opposes gay marriage?
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who said that?
also youll have to be more specific with the word oppose and marriage . . . .
to give an answer that might help you, yes some Christians will not conduct a religious marriage for gays based on their religious beliefs?
 
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tres borrachos said:
There isn't a Christian religion that opposes gay marriage?
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There are Christian religions that oppose interracial and interfaith marriages. Do they get the same ability to deny checkups to a child that has mixed faith or mixed parents? What about a Christian doctor who refuses to see children of unwed mothers?
 
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Ikari said:
First do no harm. I have no problem with a bakery withholding a cake based on religious belief. But medical care is a whole nother ballgame. You cant refuse medical care based on sexual orientation.
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I have a problem with anyone who takes on the responsibility to serve the public in any shape or form to turn around and start discriminating. There are countless ways by which any profession or professional can practice and remain true to what they believe and not affect others. Let them do so. It it their right and I would defend that anytime, but they can't have their cake and eat it too.
 
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prometeus said:
No, not at all. If anything I am completely against such things. I do however expect people who freely take on the responsibility to serve others to do so.
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She served the baby by having her partner see the baby. Which was probably a better experience for the parents as well. Why would they want to have a doctor see their baby who refuses to see them the same way a hetero couple is seen?
 
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Arcana XV said:
Yeah, that's not news. This one is not cold and uncaring, though. She comes off as an emotional basket case and I for one would remove any child of mine from her care at once. How would you feel about some pilot who decided he can't possibly fly the plane because there's a fag baby on board? Would you be comfortable flying with this loon ever again? I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Well seeing as there is no "fag baby" in this story. I don't care.
 
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