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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    These are actual related hypotheticals though. And there is a reason that such questions are asked. There is not always another doctor available. What would have happened if the other doctors refused to see the baby as well or because of this doctor's refusal? She had agreed to see the baby to begin with, which was why they had an appointment with her.

    But she didn't even have the guts to tell them herself why she was refusing to see them, but rather placed it on that other doctor to deal with until she started getting negative attention from it. And she deserves the negative attention.

    Many laws are not about what happens, but protecting people from what could happen. Plus, it is humiliating for someone to be told that they are being discriminated against, don't want to be dealt with by someone who is supposed to be a professional or business person because of something like their race, religion, sex, sexuality, the way they look, the way they talk, a disability they have, who they are in a relationship with, or other things that do not have anything to do with their doing business with that person.
    "Related hypotheticals"? No, there are no "related hypotheticals". I don't deal in hypotheticals. It's cowardly.

    The baby was seen by another doctor in the practice. The baby got medical care. All of our doctors are part of a group practice. My life wouldn't end because the doctor I had an appointment with that day didn't end up seeing me, and another perfectly qualified doctor did see me. And I really don't care about the doctor not having the "guts" to tell them herself. This thread isn't supposed to be about that.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Have you ever taken the oath or have you at least seen anyone do so? Of course not. How would you feel if you were denied treatment? Where would you draw the line?
    There are many version of the oath, I referenced a translation of the original. Irrelevant to my response.

    I draw the line at emergency treatment. A physician should not deny emergency treatment to anyone. If a physician didn't want to treat me because they don't feel comfortable around men, that is their business, but if they don't treat me in an emergency, I would be pissed at that.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Cut the crap analogies
    Cut the non-debate.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Many people feel that a gay upbringing is harmful.
    Yes, because they are ignorant morons, especially in light of ample evidence to the contrary.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't know there were lines being drawn?

    This wasn't an emergency. It wasn't a hospital. It was a group practice and someone else saw the baby.
    In this case. But there is no reason that one doctor/practice should be treated differently and allowed to get away with such discriminatory practices while others, who might not have the same options would be held to them (at least in other places).

    In the case here, there is no law that protects them from this type of discrimination, which is why their course of action is definitely appropriate. Inform the rest of the public of how this doctor is doing business. Many people, especially young people who are having babies (considering my generation supports same sex couples getting married and adopting in very large percentages, and I'm just about at that high risk due to age when it comes to pregnancies), support same sex couples getting married and raising/adopting/having children, and don't approve of this type of discrimination.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    "Related hypotheticals"? No, there are no "related hypotheticals". I don't deal in hypotheticals. It's cowardly.
    On your part yes.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You drew on by stating that it was not an emergency. So asking a follow up question is normal, but you seem desperate to avoid answering it. Why is that? If you find nothing objectionable with this type of discrimination and bigotry say so. Others have.
    I'm not posting about discrimination and bigotry. That's you people. I'm posting about this story, and while I don't care who is gay and who isn't, I also don't care who has objections to someone who is gay and who isn't. This isn't a story about a man being killed because he was gay, or a couple being ejected from their home because they're gay, or a child committing suicide because the kids in school tease her because she's a lesbian. It's about one doctor in a group practice seeing a baby instead of another doctor.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In this case. But there is no reason that one doctor/practice should be treated differently and allowed to get away with such discriminatory practices while others, who might not have the same options would be held to them (at least in other places).

    In the case here, there is no law that protects them from this type of discrimination, which is why their course of action is definitely appropriate. Inform the rest of the public of how this doctor is doing business. Many people, especially young people who are having babies (considering my generation supports same sex couples getting married and adopting in very large percentages, and I'm just about at that high risk due to age when it comes to pregnancies), support same sex couples getting married and raising/adopting/having children, and don't approve of this type of discrimination.
    We aren't talking about people getting married. We're talking about a baby being seen by another doctor in a group practice. This isn't a big deal. And I don't care what the doctor thinks about gay people any more than I care about what the doctor thinks about lamb kabobs, American Idol or the weather. The reason you take a baby to a doctor, as you well know, is to get the baby care. This baby got care.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    "Related hypotheticals"? No, there are no "related hypotheticals". I don't deal in hypotheticals. It's cowardly.

    The baby was seen by another doctor in the practice. The baby got medical care. All of our doctors are part of a group practice. My life wouldn't end because the doctor I had an appointment with that day didn't end up seeing me, and another perfectly qualified doctor did see me. And I really don't care about the doctor not having the "guts" to tell them herself. This thread isn't supposed to be about that.
    This thread is about this incident.

    The reason for laws that protect people from discriminatory practices is for many reasons, including the possibility that one person not serving/seeing another based on something like their race, sex, religion, or sexuality, could lead to that person having medical or health issues, even if it doesn't do so in most cases. The reason for sharing this type of case with others is to help others know what kind of person this doctor is, who would refuse to see a baby due to the child having two mothers. Why would anyone against such bigotry want to go to such a business, even a medical practice? Push for laws that protect against such treatment happen because people shouldn't be treated like that.

    And yes, the cowardice that she demonstrated in not telling the mothers is part of the story and therefore can easily be part of the discussion.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Should have her license revoked... there is only one rule for doctors.. the Hippocratic oath
    The Hippocratic oath says first do no harm.

    If someone stated they felt that they could not adequately do a job, especially if it concerned my family, I would take them at their word and move on.

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