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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Catholic run hospitals should make people recite the Nicene Creed prior to entering. If they can't, no service. That would be ok...right?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    SO you draw the line at emergency situations? Why?
    I didn't know there were lines being drawn?

    This wasn't an emergency. It wasn't a hospital. It was a group practice and someone else saw the baby.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What if the other doctor wouldn't have seen the baby, and the baby wouldn't have been able to be seen that week? Do you think they should have legal recourse if something would have happened to the child because of missing a well baby appointment? It was possible, especially if they lived in a smaller town, with fewer doctors.

    Or if their insurance had only allowed for them to see one doctor within their area, and that doctor refused to see them? Should they have to then pay more because that doctor is discriminating against their child because of the doctor's religious objection to the relationship of the parents?
    What if my parents hadn't had sex that night? I wouldn't have been born.

    "What if" is a hypothetical. There is a real story here, and not a hypothetical. This was a group practice, and another doctor saw the baby.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You arent any better demonizing the doctor. You are doing to him what he did to them. how are you any different?
    No, this isn't true. The difference is in the reasons for the actions taken. The doctor used her beliefs to justify not doing a well baby checkup for a child who has two mommies, while speaking out against such things is speaking out against the actions of the person.

    The doctor believes that two women should not raise a baby together (for whatever reason, the fact that she claims a religious basis really isn't important). Does she also think single parents shouldn't raise children, and deny their children well baby checkups as well? I would be interested to know what other kinds of parents she doesn't approve of or believe should raise children and whether she denies their children checkups with her as well. Does she only deal with those children who are of certain "types" of parents?

    Would it be okay for a doctor to refuse to examine a mixed race child if he/she does not approve of interracial relationships and believes they are harmful to children?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You arent any better demonizing the doctor. You are doing to him what he did to them. how are you any different?
    Oh REALLY, i'm not denying medical care to him? Sure wish i had that power

    Yeah let's weigh these two: criticizing a complete asshole on the internet vs denying medical treatment to a baby

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    She should worry more about the actual health of the baby, rather than passing judgement on who is raising the baby. Her concern should be the baby's health, not the parents' relationship, unless that relationship can actually be shown to be harmful to the child.
    Many people feel that a gay upbringing is harmful.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What if my parents hadn't had sex that night? I wouldn't have been born.

    "What if" is a hypothetical. There is a real story here, and not a hypothetical. This was a group practice, and another doctor saw the baby.
    These are actual related hypotheticals though. And there is a reason that such questions are asked. There is not always another doctor available. What would have happened if the other doctors refused to see the baby as well or because of this doctor's refusal? She had agreed to see the baby to begin with, which was why they had an appointment with her.

    But she didn't even have the guts to tell them herself why she was refusing to see them, but rather placed it on that other doctor to deal with until she started getting negative attention from it. And she deserves the negative attention.

    Many laws are not about what happens, but protecting people from what could happen. Plus, it is humiliating for someone to be told that they are being discriminated against, don't want to be dealt with by someone who is supposed to be a professional or business person because of something like their race, religion, sex, sexuality, the way they look, the way they talk, a disability they have, who they are in a relationship with, or other things that do not have anything to do with their doing business with that person.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Catholic run hospitals should make people recite the Nicene Creed prior to entering. If they can't, no service. That would be ok...right?
    Cut the crap analogies

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Many people feel that a gay upbringing is harmful.
    And those people are wrong from an objective standpoint. There is plenty of evidence to support that they are wrong.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't know there were lines being drawn?
    You drew one by stating that it was not an emergency. So asking a follow up question is normal, but you seem desperate to avoid answering it. Why is that? If you find nothing objectionable with this type of discrimination and bigotry say so. Others have.

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