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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The patient doesn't belong to the group, the doctors do. I've had a doctor refer me to different doctors because I refused to follow his advice and quit smoking.

    No, in all probability, once the new group heard the story they assigned her a doctor from the group that had no objection. You know, just as the first group did.
    No, that is not how it works, at least not for all groups. You can choose your doctor within many groups if you wish. At least that has been my experience. And these parents spoke directly with the doctor that ended up refusing to see them prior to the baby being born.

    The first "group" made no such decision. The "substitute" doctor was asked by their original doctor to do the appointment because of her objections, basically as a favor. There was no "group meeting" where they decided together to have this other doctor do the baby's well checkup.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    If you are going to continue to mis-read what I type, there is no use in continuing to discuss things with you.
    Earlier in the thread, tb said she wouldn't want to go to a doctor that didn't want to treat her

    Now she's says she doesn't care what the doctor thinks of her.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Earlier in the thread, tb said she wouldn't want to go to a doctor that didn't want to treat her

    Now she's says she doesn't care what the doctor thinks of her.
    That is what happens to people who have noting but double talk. Nothing intelligent or rational just whatever suits their ignorant agenda.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, that is not how it works, at least not for all groups. You can choose your doctor within many groups if you wish. At least that has been my experience. And these parents spoke directly with the doctor that ended up refusing to see them prior to the baby being born.

    The first "group" made no such decision. The "substitute" doctor was asked by their original doctor to do the appointment because of her objections, basically as a favor. There was no "group meeting" where they decided together to have this other doctor do the baby's well checkup.
    This is a pediatric group, it is not a general HMO group. The physicians in this group have a common specialty. The sort of group you are talking about has varied specialties but network their referrals within the group. Yes, they do have "group meetings" and share the same office and scheduling staff.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    This is a pediatric group, it is not a general HMO group. The physicians in this group have a common specialty. The sort of group you are talking about has varied specialties but network their referrals within the group. Yes, they do have "group meetings" and share the same office and scheduling staff.
    You are really confusing what I am saying.

    First, the groups I have been going to are just like the group this doctor was a part of, a group of doctor that basically share the building, expenses, staff, etc., but still have their own patients. This is evidenced by the fact that the parents spoke with this doctor specifically in a prenatal appointment and she agreed to take their child as her patient. She wasn't making this decision for the group.

    Second, I never said they didn't have group meetings, only that they did not have a specific group meeting to decide to send the child of these parents to see another doctor because this doctor had religious objections. Read the story. The substitute doctor told them their doctor was refusing to see them because she had religious issues with having a patient with lesbian mothers, and she asked the other doctor to do take the appointment for her. I was saying that this specific decision, to have the child have that first appointment done by a different doctor was not decided on in some "group doctor meeting". It was decided between just the two doctors.

    Last, the doctors I had were all within a common specialty. My doctor is in a general practice specialty with a group of other doctors that all work in general practice. I have the same doctor as my sons but at least for one appointment, one of my sons saw a different doctor because ours wasn't available. Not a big deal to us. The same was true within the military system. In fact, the first year I had dependents, I looked through a book of doctors they had and picked one. There was no real need to do this though because they were mostly general practice doctors. We were assigned a doctor in San Diego within the clinic that saw people for general checkups or non-emergency complaints. My doctor told me beforehand if he was going on vacation and that if we needed to see someone, other doctors in the clinic had his patients for the couple of weeks he would be gone.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Likely though it would include a lot of people she wouldn't object to treating also.
    True enough. That's the cost of excersizing a right. Can't please everyone.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    To be quite honest this did surprise me. For some reason I thought that educated people can and would rise above such blatant bigotry, but I guess that low life imbeciles exist in every walk of life.
    This doctor refused to treat an infant because the parents are gay.
    Lesbian couple says Michigan pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation | 7online.com
    BS, more than likely, the pediatrician did not accept their ObamaCare. BUT it JUST had to be something to do with their sexual orientation, because that is the buzz issue right now.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Discrimination implies denying someone of something that is offered to others, or excluding them in participation of something that others participate in. What were the parents denied? What were they excluded from doing that the hetero parents got at the same practice on the same day?
    The doctor refused to provide the daughter with medical services because the mothers were lesbians. That's a dictionary definition of a discriminatory act.

    You seem to think that because some other person provided them with medical services that no discrimination occurred. That's nonsense - the discrimination by one physician, and provision of services by another - are independent acts. The second act mitigated the harm from the first discriminatory act, but doesn't change the simple fact that the original doctor discriminated against the lesbian couple based on their sexual orientation. She said (paraphrased), "I will not treat your daughter because you are lesbians." I'm not sure what discrimination against lesbians would look like but that.

    It's no different in any meaningful way than a restaurant having a black section near the kitchen, or black bathrooms and white ones, or black water fountains and white fountains. Or a bus having seats reserved for blacks, and others for whites. In all those cases blacks got services - a meal or water or a bathroom or a bus ride WERE provided. So what's the harm? No harm in your view. I don't agree.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    BS, more than likely, the pediatrician did not accept their ObamaCare. BUT it JUST had to be something to do with their sexual orientation, because that is the buzz issue right now.
    Well, the physician said it was about sexual orientation. That was the reason given. It's you know, part of the FACTS of the case that no one involved disputes.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's what you said. If all you had complained about was the govt forcing people to do something, I would have taken a different tack and pointed out that the govt does that all the time. They force people to not murder each other, cross streets at the corner on red lights, not litter, take care of their children, etc.

    So you didn't just complain that the govt forces people to do things. That's what govts do. And if you didn't claim that they were forcing people because that was what people wanted the govt to do then why did you complain about the govt forcing people to do things ?
    So you quoted me and can't tell me where the quote came from. That is bad form.

    I pointed out that laws come about becomes someone had an opinion that something should be illegal or legal, or at least regulated. You drifted off in interpreting that as a discussion of the legislative process. I'm describing the power of a citizen with an opinion to gather support influence government.

    Please stop being such a defender of all things government and recognize that not everyone is an anarchist.

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