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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No....you wouldn't want a doctor who doesn't like your choice of marriage partner. And that's perfectly fine that you feel that way, but it isn't a reason most people select a pediatrician.
    Actually, there are a lot of parents out there who wouldn't want to go to a pediatrician that has an issue with your choice of marriage partner. The vast majority would drop that person as a pediatrician (assuming they could) quickly upon finding out such information. Most of us want a pediatrician who is reliable and going to give us the same service that they would provide for anyone else, regardless of their personal feelings about our personal relationships (assuming it is based on something that does not involve abuse, which is a legitimate concern of the pediatrician, since it can affect the health and well being of the child to have a parent/caregiver who is being abused or abusive).
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Doesn't apply. But I'm guessing you already knew that?
    It applies to what I was discussing, religion or race. What exactly are you saying it doesn't apply to? Just so we're clear, I never claimed or suggested that it applied in this particular situation or to same sex couples.

    In regards to how I was applying it in the post you first responded to, in the case of the two women and the baby, it wouldn't matter if her views were based on religion or her just claiming she felt their relationship was wrong, unnatural, or just disgusting, no religion involved, because religion doesn't make any difference when the classification isn't protected either.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Fascinating. Then you better make sure you know all about your kids' pediatrician's religious views so this tragedy doesn't happen to you either.
    Please stop with the over-the-top hyperbole. We can't read people's minds, but that doesn't mean that if this information is shared somehow, that it shouldn't be used to make the decision about your pediatrician choice.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, there are a lot of parents out there who wouldn't want to go to a pediatrician that has an issue with your choice of marriage partner. The vast majority would drop that person as a pediatrician (assuming they could) quickly upon finding out such information. Most of us want a pediatrician who is reliable and going to give us the same service that they would provide for anyone else, regardless of their personal feelings about our personal relationships (assuming it is based on something that does not involve abuse, which is a legitimate concern of the pediatrician, since it can affect the health and well being of the child to have a parent/caregiver who is being abused or abusive).
    So then maybe start a national database of pediatricians who have opinions on couples' choices of marriage partners so tragedies like this don't happen again. I don't care what my kids' pediatrician thinks of my husband, and I'm guessing my husband would say the same thing.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Please stop with the over-the-top hyperbole. We can't read people's minds, but that doesn't mean that if this information is shared somehow, that it shouldn't be used to make the decision about your pediatrician choice.
    Like I just said in another post, start a national database. Or post your outrage on review sites. Makes no difference to me. I picked my kids' pediatric practice because I was concerned about the quality of my kids' medical care, not because I was seeking their approval on my choice of spouse.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It applies to what I was discussing, religion or race. What exactly are you saying it doesn't apply to? Just so we're clear, I never claimed or suggested that it applied in this particular situation or to same sex couples.

    In regards to how I was applying it in the post you first responded to, in the case of the two women and the baby, it wouldn't matter if her views were based on religion or her just claiming she felt their relationship was wrong, unnatural, or just disgusting, no religion involved, because religion doesn't make any difference when the classification isn't protected either.
    You provided an example: "a Jewish doctor cannot claim that their religious views do not permit them to have a Muslim for a patient. A male Muslim teacher cannot refuse to teach girls due to his religious beliefs" - I don't see how this is not permitted via the Civil Rights Act.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I knew a few waiters who avoid black customers at all cost.

    ...because black people are lousy tippers, they say.
    It's fun to see defenses of racism.

    BTW, I was also a waiter. In my experience the worst tippers were the families after church. Second worst was any table of just women, especially middle aged women.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not what happened here. The couple was first told that the person would not do business with them. This was not a mutual agreement.
    But it is now.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's fun to see defenses of racism.
    More like tip'ism since tipping was the basis for the discrimination and race was incidental.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    But it is now.
    The fact that it wasn't to begin with is why the couple is sharing their story with others, to help others avoid a similar situation with this particular doctor.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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