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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Because it causes issues within society when people refuse to do their job based on any views and a classification of someone or a group of people that has absolutely no real impact on their job, despite their claims otherwise. If you can't do your job to the full extent, then do something else. It doesn't matter if it is your religious views or other beliefs that cause the conflict. You are an adult. You should suck it up and do your job.
    She could have asked her partner to see the baby because she couldn't stand the smell of the parents' cigarette smoke. Or because one of the mothers reminded her of the girl who used to bully her in school. Or because she had a migraine and didn't want to drive to work. And this would have been a non-story.

    If you think someone asking her partner to see a baby because she didn't want to work with the parents will change society, you better get your Congressman on the phone. That sounds like huge news to me.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can you show me the law that was passed that said religion isn't part of the protected classes anymore?
    You are trying to twist what I said. Religion is protected from discrimination. Religious views that are used in an attempt to discriminate are not protected as more important than other views that are used to attempt to discriminate under federal law. For example, a Jewish doctor cannot claim that their religious views do not permit them to have a Muslim for a patient. A male Muslim teacher cannot refuse to teach girls due to his religious beliefs.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are trying to twist what I said. Religion is protected from discrimination. Religious views that are used in an attempt to discriminate are not protected as more important than other views that are used to attempt to discriminate under federal law. For example, a Jewish doctor cannot claim that their religious views do not permit them to have a Muslim for a patient. A male Muslim teacher cannot refuse to teach girls due to his religious beliefs.
    I hope that lawsuit works out and this couple wins millions to repair their hurt feelings.

    By the way, what this doctor did was apparently quite legal. Don't let facts get in the way of a good crusade though.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She could have asked her partner to see the baby because she couldn't stand the smell of the parents' cigarette smoke. Or because one of the mothers reminded her of the girl who used to bully her in school. Or because she had a migraine and didn't want to drive to work. And this would have been a non-story.

    If you think someone asking her partner to see a baby because she didn't want to work with the parents will change society, you better get your Congressman on the phone. That sounds like huge news to me.
    Those things you mentioned are not protected, and you're right. Those things would not have been a big deal at all. But instead she decided to broadcast that it was bigotry based on her personal objections to the parents' relationship.

    The fact that people are using such situations to show why sexual orientation needs to be included in all laws that protect against discrimination and to get rid of laws that give religious exemptions shows that there are plenty of people who feel such situations are big news.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I hope that lawsuit works out and this couple wins millions to repair their hurt feelings.

    By the way, what this doctor did was apparently quite legal. Don't let facts get in the way of a good crusade though.
    I never said there was a lawsuit in this case. Michigan does not have laws to protect against discrimination based on sexual orientation.

    Which is why the parents went the way they did, exposing the doctor's bigotry to protect other families from choosing this doctor. It is possible that this could negatively affect her career, particularly if others drop this doctor's group due to this situation. I have no issue with that. I think that is what should be done in these such cases. I don't actually agree in suing someone for this type of discrimination. I don't fault people who do, when it is legally acceptable, but I don't think it is the best choice for most minor incidents, whether it is race, religion, sex, sexuality, or some other classification that was used to deny service.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    And I recommend that you stop polluting gun threads.
    ROFL. You're pretty easily upset, aren't you? I was just giving you a useful suggestion. And notice I didn't insult you or your post when I did it.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The patient has more right because the patient is the one using the service. The doctor does not rely on the patient to keep them healthy.
    I don't see the doctor complaining that the patient is using another doctor, so your "the patient has more right" just looks like stomping your foot. Both parties agree not to do buisness with eachother because they each dislike the other's ideology, and that's fine.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Those things you mentioned are not protected, and you're right. Those things would not have been a big deal at all. But instead she decided to broadcast that it was bigotry based on her personal objections to the parents' relationship.

    The fact that people are using such situations to show why sexual orientation needs to be included in all laws that protect against discrimination and to get rid of laws that give religious exemptions shows that there are plenty of people who feel such situations are big news.
    She decided to "broadcast" it? It was the couple who went to social media. The pediatrician told only her partner and didn't broadcast anything. It's amazing to read all the twisting that goes on here.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The maybe she can fie suit against all of the people who are so intolerant of her religious views that they've gone on doctor rating sites - meant to help real people select a doctor who provides good medical care and not provide personal approval of their marriage - and posted malicious things about the doctor. She's exercising her religious views, and last I checked, they're also protected. Hurt feelings and all.
    Seriously? Knowing that a doctor doesn't want lesbian/gay patients is pretty important. It's exactly the kind of thing that should go on doctor rating sites. Because the last thing you want is to pick a doctor who disapproves of you and won't show up for your appointment.

    She can have her views. But she can't stop people from pointing out that they disagree with her religious views.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't see the doctor complaining that the patient is using another doctor, so your "the patient has more right" just looks like stomping your foot. Both parties agree not to do buisness with eachother because they each dislike the other's ideology, and that's fine.
    Not what happened here. The couple was first told that the person would not do business with them. This was not a mutual agreement.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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