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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He was talking about at that initial visit, and he was correct. They didn't have to go find another doctor. The original doctor found one for them, right in the same building.
    No, he wasn't, not from his posts. You might want to go back and check posts #567 and #577. They show much of the progression and his claims, and they aren't correct. For one, the group did not select a doctor for them. The doctor they were supposed to see asked another doctor to fill in for her, even explaining her feelings about it to the other doctor. And he said that I was wrong that they didn't go to another group after that initial appointment.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are informing other parents and patients of this doctor's bigotry so they don't have to go through the same thing they do. They have every right to be mad at someone who agreed to be their doctor (the medical group as a whole did not take them on generally, then assign them this doctor, they talked to her prenatal about being their doctor, and she agreed), but then decided to drop them because they are two women rather than a man and a woman, which she claims violates her religious beliefs to check their baby. There is no guarantee that in the future a different doctor would be available in a similar situation involving this doctor. What if she later decides she also can't see babies who only have a single mother or whose parents are divorced because of her religious beliefs?
    What if I win the $480 million Powerball? I'll buy a condo in Tahiti.

    Every right to be mad. Yes, that's what this is all about. They're mad. Hurt feelings. Legislate hurt feelings all you want, but please don't expect me to join the crusade.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The patient has just as much right to refuse a doctor based on ideology. Fair use is fair.
    The patient has more right because the patient is the one using the service. The doctor does not rely on the patient to keep them healthy.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yeah, not really. Usually there some sort of logic used in tying statements together to form what is called a rational argument.

    Sorry.
    Don't be sorry, now it is obvious why you could not grasp it.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What if I win the $480 million Powerball? I'll buy a condo in Tahiti.

    Every right to be mad. Yes, that's what this is all about. They're mad. Hurt feelings. Legislate hurt feelings all you want, but please don't expect me to join the crusade.
    And that is what a good deal of the civil rights movement could be claimed as as well, hurt feelings that they had to use a different fountain, a different entrance, sit in a different area. If someone doesn't see the bigger picture that such treatment makes people feel inferior, and can lead to great divisions in our society.

    You can blow off my questions all you like, but it only shows that you are not willing to admit that what she did was wrong and that in a different situation, you might agree that it was wrong.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Don't forget, she skipped work to avoid telling them to their face she's a bigot!!

    But it's OK. Same way it'd be OK if a black family sat down for dinner and the manager said, "so sorry, but you'll have to change tables - this waiter prayed on it and doesn't feel he can give you good service cause he's a racist, but we have other waiters who will serve blacks, so no harm done!"

    I'm surprised you can't see this - clear as day to me.....

    /sarcasm.

    More seriously, that she couldn't tell them to their face is what's sad to me. It's almost as if her (perhaps decent) conscience was trying to tell her something, and her religion wouldn't let it. Whatever was going on, she knew it was wrong enough to avoid facing her decision.
    So she shouldn't have skipped work - she should have gone to work that day and said mean things to them about their lifestyle that for whatever reason she doesn't condone?

    That would have made all the difference in the world to this couple, is that right?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that is what a good deal of the civil rights movement could be claimed as as well, hurt feelings that they had to use a different fountain, a different entrance, sit in a different area. If someone doesn't see the bigger picture that such treatment makes people feel inferior, and can lead to great divisions in our society.

    You can blow off my questions all you like, but it only shows that you are not willing to admit that what she did was wrong and that in a different situation, you might agree that it was wrong.
    I don't care what her religious views are. You do. That's what bothers you here. You want me to say she was supposed to do something she didn't want to do to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Sorry. I left high school a long time ago. I don't care about what other adults think. I didn't care what anyone thought about my choice in spouse, and I can't imagine why it's the end of the world for this couple to get the approval of a pediatrician on theirs.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Punishment? Sure. Go ahead and punish her for that. Nothing like a lawsuit where the damages are hurt feelings. We don't have enough of them.

    The maybe she can fie suit against all of the people who are so intolerant of her religious views that they've gone on doctor rating sites - meant to help real people select a doctor who provides good medical care and not provide personal approval of their marriage - and posted malicious things about the doctor. She's exercising her religious views, and last I checked, they're also protected. Hurt feelings and all.
    Not all religious views are protected, nor should they be. Especially not when they are being used purely as an excuse for their bigotry against others.

    Again, the question was about under current public accommodation laws, should she be sued if the parents had been mixed race or interfaith or of a faith or hold views she did not agree with? The public accommodation laws say that this is perfectly acceptable, as is punishment from the government for doing such a thing, even if the claim is made that it was their religious views.

    And she cannot sue people for talking bad about her customer service on rating sites. She is free to try, but it won't go far. Her religious views are also not protected against other people's views of her religious views or even her actions.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't care what her religious views are. You do. That's what bothers you here. You want me to say she was supposed to do something she didn't want to do to avoid hurting someone's feelings. Sorry. I left high school a long time ago. I don't care about what other adults think. I didn't care what anyone thought about my choice in spouse, and I can't imagine why it's the end of the world for this couple to get the approval of a pediatrician on theirs.
    Because it causes issues within society when people refuse to do their job based on any views and a classification of someone or a group of people that has absolutely no real impact on their job, despite their claims otherwise. If you can't do your job to the full extent, then do something else. It doesn't matter if it is your religious views or other beliefs that cause the conflict. You are an adult. You should suck it up and do your job.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not all religious views are protected, nor should they be. Especially not when they are being used purely as an excuse for their bigotry against others.

    Again, the question was about under current public accommodation laws, should she be sued if the parents had been mixed race or interfaith or of a faith or hold views she did not agree with? The public accommodation laws say that this is perfectly acceptable, as is punishment from the government for doing such a thing, even if the claim is made that it was their religious views.

    And she cannot sue people for talking bad about her customer service on rating sites. She is free to try, but it won't go far. Her religious views are also not protected against other people's views of her religious views or even her actions.
    Can you show me the law that was passed that said religion isn't part of the protected classes anymore?
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