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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The baby was given the treatment they expected when they went there. I assume they took the baby for a wellness check, not validation of their sexual preferences by someone else. If that was their reason for going to the office that day, their request was satisfied.
    It seems gays need to be validated by everyone they meet or they turn into assholes. That has to be some kind of disorder.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    still weird you were curious about something that is irrelevant
    She said, in the very quote you replied too, that she "wasn't" curious about her religion? And that because of that her religion was irrelevant. In context what that translates too is that her religion is irrelevant, and that she isn't curious about it. But that's what she said, but some people apparently need guidance navigating the nuances of the English language.


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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The doctor refused to see a baby because its' parents are gay. How is that *not* discrimination?
    It's protected discrimination.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Don't forget, she skipped work to avoid telling them to their face she's a bigot!!

    But it's OK. Same way it'd be OK if a black family sat down for dinner and the manager said, "so sorry, but you'll have to change tables - this waiter prayed on it and doesn't feel he can give you good service cause he's a racist, but we have other waiters who will serve blacks, so no harm done!"

    I'm surprised you can't see this - clear as day to me.....

    /sarcasm.

    More seriously, that she couldn't tell them to their face is what's sad to me. It's almost as if her (perhaps decent) conscience was trying to tell her something, and her religion wouldn't let it. Whatever was going on, she knew it was wrong enough to avoid facing her decision.
    I knew a few waiters who avoid black customers at all cost.

    ...because black people are lousy tippers, they say.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I knew a few waiters who avoid black customers at all cost.

    ...because black people are lousy tippers, they say.
    And that's true, my wife was a waitress for a few years and this was almost always the case.


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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    And that's true, my wife was a waitress for a few years and this was almost always the case.


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    My father drove toure bus for a lot of years and they always took turns taking asian groups, and for the same reason. Asian groups were even billed differently so the driver would get something out of it.

    Back to topic though, discrimination per-se isn't good or bad, what matters is if anyone's harmed by it and in OP's story no one was.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My father drove toure bus for a lot of years and they always took turns taking asian groups, and for the same reason. Asian groups were even billed differently so the driver would get something out of it.

    Back to topic though, discrimination per-se isn't good or bad, what matters is if anyone's harmed by it and in OP's story no one was.
    Harm is a relative term. However, legally, material harm is provable, but almost non-existent in cases like this, and baking cakes, or taking pictures, or preaching to the choir. The only harm is hurt feelings, there is no material harm involved.


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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Health Care Antidiscrimination Laws Protecting Gays and Lesbians:
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    "Many gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered (LGBT) people experience discrimination and bias when attempting to receive health care, sometimes because they're not always aware of rules protecting them. A number of states have laws that protect LGBT patients against differential treatment -- or outright refusal to treat -- based on sexual orientation and gender identity. In addition, American Medical Association ethics rules prohibit physicians from refusing to treat patients based on their sexual orientation. Here are the ins and outs of these antidiscrimination rules and a list of which states provide protection.

    AMA Ethics Rules Prohibit LGBT Discrimination

    The American Medical Association has taken a clear stance on physician treatment of gay, lesbian, and transgendered patients. In its ethics opinions -- which serve as a model for how all physicians and their employees should practice medicine -- the AMA states: "Physicians who offer their services to the public may not decline to accept patients because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity or any other basis that would constitute invidious discrimination."

    The American Medical Association also makes clear that a doctor's right to religious refusal applies to particular treatments or procedures (for example, abortion), but not to particular groups of people (like lesbians). In addition, the AMA states that it will "work to reduce the health disparities suffered because of unequal treatment of minor children and same sex parents in same sex household" and work with local medical societies to provide sample printed nondiscrimination policies to distribute to doctors and hospitals. In fact, the AMA has adopted more than 25 rules and opinions calling for the equal treatment of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered patients, doctors, and medical students. You can access all of these rules on the AMA website at American Medical Association (click "About AMA," "Our People," "Member Groups and Sections," and "GLBT Advisory Committee").

    States Prohibiting Health Care Discrimination

    In almost half of U.S. states, discriminating against LGBT patients is illegal. Twenty-two states have laws that prohibit discrimination based on a person's sexual orientation in "public accommodations" -- meaning most businesses that serve the public. Public accommodations include the provision of health care services by physicians, hospitals, and other health care providers. Fourteen of these twenty-two states also prohibit public accommodations discrimination based on a person's gender identity"
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    She said, in the very quote you replied too, that she "wasn't" curious about her religion? And that because of that her religion was irrelevant. In context what that translates too is that her religion is irrelevant, and that she isn't curious about it. But that's what she said, but some people apparently need guidance navigating the nuances of the English language.


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    yep I got that clearly lol so your post is just more BS fantasy made up in your head and another failure when you come across me, par for the course lol.
    I still think its weird she wondered about my thoughts though she felt the ladys religion was irrelevant, this fact wont change
    your post fails and facts win again

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's protected discrimination.
    IOW, it is discrimination.
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