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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There isn't much to say other than in my own view, but obviously not yours, whether discrimination in the marketplace based on sexual preference is ethically or morally acceptable is not a facts and circumstances question.

    So we can agree to disagree.
    I don't know why any adult gives a crap about what another adult thinks of his/her bedroom preferences. The couple at the center of this story are apparently very hurt because this doctor doesn't agree with their preferences. I don't care who dislikes my blonde hair, my blue eyes, my choice of husband, my kids' clothes, what kind of car I drive, what kind of music I like, or what color my house is. Just as long as nobody doesn't provide me with what I pay for that everyone else gets for the same price that I pay.

    The baby got medical care that day. This couple is pissed because the doctor doesn't like them. BFD.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't know why any adult gives a crap about what another adult thinks of his/her bedroom preferences. The couple at the center of this story are apparently very hurt because this doctor doesn't agree with their preferences. I don't care who dislikes my blonde hair, my blue eyes, my choice of husband, my kids' clothes, what kind of car I drive, what kind of music I like, or what color my house is. Just as long as nobody doesn't provide me with what I pay for that everyone else gets for the same price that I pay.

    The baby got medical care that day. This couple is pissed because the doctor doesn't like them. BFD.
    Discrimination. BFD.

    I think we understand your view pretty well!

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Discrimination. BFD.

    I think we understand your view pretty well!
    Discrimination:

    Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".

    Not quite discrimination. The baby was seen. They didn't go to the doctor to get approval of their marriage.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Discrimination:

    Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".

    Not quite discrimination. The baby was seen. They didn't go to the doctor to get approval of their marriage.

    Not everyone is going to like you.
    You're determined to miss the point, so I'll quit trying. I should have known better. My mistake.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    No Problem..
    Check...

    Preference and tastes in food is hardly analogous to bigotry in the context we're (you're) using it here, agreed?
    I may have overdone the benign aspect a bit. Indulge me...

    I understand that, but I challenged you to provide a circumstance where one could be personally turned off by, or of not condoning of homosexuality and NOT be a bigot.
    If you do not discriminate you are not a bigot. It is action that makes on, in my view at least. We all like and dislike any number of things, but it is our actions vis-a-vis people that can turn us into bigots.

    Asked to join? Did you really just say that? I reject many lifestyles, and character traits in people. I choose my associates rather carefully, do you not do the same?
    I do too. I was asking that in the context of being forced.

    And this Doctor was making a conscientious choice to avoid associating with these lesbian parents, both personally and professionally.
    No, this doctor demonstrated bigotry by declining to see a 6 days old infant, one that she initially agreed to see.

    Denial or service is a very common thing.
    Yes, when done for some legitimate reason, not as discrimination.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    there is no shortage of dr's willing to provide care for the children of homosexual couples, but that won't stop all the do gooders from passing more laws.

    nitwits!

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    That's unfortunate. The doctor is protected by their religious beliefs and thus is allowed to refuse the patient.

    Thank the universe the bible doesn't make any explicit prohibitions to other minority groups or more people would be S.0.L
    S.O.L. is a bit hyperbolic, isn't it.

    The couple had their feelings hurt but still walked in and saw a doctor.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    there is no shortage of dr's willing to provide care for the children of homosexual couples, but that won't stop all the do gooders from passing more laws.

    nitwits!
    The thing is, would you really want a doctor who doesn't want to be your doctor FORCED to be your doctor?

    I know I would pass on that ...

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    That's unfortunate. The doctor is protected by their religious beliefs and thus is allowed to refuse the patient.

    Thank the universe the bible doesn't make any explicit prohibitions to other minority groups or more people would be S.0.L
    I was not aware that the baby was gay/lesbian because that baby is the client. It just shows the doctor is an immoral person who thinks denying care to a baby because of the sexual orientation of the parents is something that can be justified by religious beliefs.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're determined to miss the point, so I'll quit trying. I should have known better. My mistake.
    What you want me to do is join you in the outrage that this doctor doesn't approve of the lifestyle of these women, and I won't. Not everyone has to like or associate with everyone else. The baby got care, at the same time and the same place that the original doctor was supposed to provide the care. There is nothing to see here.
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