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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    ...but I do condone it.
    Well at least you openly admit to condoning bigotry. It is a lot more than some others who do the same but lack the integrity to admit it.

    So long as the child was treated, nothing else matters.
    The issue is the bigotry of the doctor and where would society end up if everyone like you condoned such despicable acts, so yes it matters, while the diversion about the treatment does not.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Well at least you openly admit to condoning bigotry. It is a lot more than some others who do the same but lack the integrity to admit it.
    That's what tolorance is, to let something be inspite you're dislike of it.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Sorry for the length it took to get back to you on this.

    No Problem..


    I do not like Indian cuisine and honestly I can not explain why. It is not inaccurate to use the word bigot in labeling me in this regard, yet I have never been called a bigot even when I was in India.

    Preference and tastes in food is hardly analogous to bigotry in the context we're (you're) using it here, agreed?


    So to answer you question directly, my usage of bigot is in reference to a person who discriminates.

    I understand that, but I challenged you to provide a circumstance where one could be personally turned off by, or of not condoning of homosexuality and NOT be a bigot.


    Rejecting a lifestyle is a lame line of reasoning, because i simply do not believe that you have ever been asked to join.

    Asked to join? Did you really just say that? I reject many lifestyles, and character traits in people. I choose my associates rather carefully, do you not do the same?


    Avoiding, not associating etc are not acts of bigotry.

    And this Doctor was making a conscientious choice to avoid associating with these lesbian parents, both personally and professionally.


    Discrimination is, denial of service is just as much as endorsing such acts.
    Denial or service is a very common thing. More so than you seem willing to admit. This Doctor was obviously motivated by her faith, but even if she were not, we as American's perhaps more than any other society have the right to associate with whomever we please, and this usually entails a careful approach to exactly how we choose our associations, and by what measure we wish to choose for them. This is not bigotry! Bigotry in the context used here in this thread and the way you're using it, means to hold a negative opinion or viewpoint of a person, despite evidence to the contrary.


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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This family wasn't being treated equally.
    The baby was seen by a medical professional. The family went there to have their baby seen by a medical professional. The family got the same treatment as the other families who brought their children to be seen by a medical professional. They got the exact same service for presumably the exact same price. They were treated equally.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, actually it is relevant. You keep talking about "no harm" being done. That indicates that you believe that harm must be done for laws to cover something. Then do you or do you not agree with public accommodation laws that prevent doctors from denying service to people due to their race, sex, religion, etc? That is absolutely relevant because the situations would be the same except the class being used to deny service, one is protected, the other isn't, by the law.
    We already talked about doctors not being able to refuse to see patients in an emergency.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The baby was seen by a medical professional. The family went there to have their baby seen by a medical professional. The family got the same treatment as the other families who brought their children to be seen by a medical professional. They got the exact same service for presumably the exact same price. They were treated equally.
    Separate really WAS sometimes equal, even in the 1940s and 1950s. We still got rid of the idea when it comes to race. We'll eventually get rid of the idea when it comes to sexual orientation, too.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They did in fact find another doctor. They did the one appointment with the "substitute", then got another doctor/group. The "facility" didn't select another doctor for them. The doctor that refused to see their daughter asked her colleague to see their child for that appointment (which it was good that she agreed and was able), and then they found themselves another doctor altogether to go to.
    That was their choice to leave the group. What does that have to do with what Jerry posted?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Separate really WAS sometimes equal, even in the 1940s and 1950s. We still got rid of the idea when it comes to race. We'll eventually get rid of the idea when it comes to sexual orientation, too.
    The baby was given the treatment they expected when they went there. I assume they took the baby for a wellness check, not validation of their sexual preferences by someone else. If that was their reason for going to the office that day, their request was satisfied.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) of course not cause that would be stupid
    2.) didnt say you did
    3.) weird that you were curious then
    Her religion is what's irrelevant. I wasn't curious about her religion.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The baby was given the treatment they expected when they went there. I assume they took the baby for a wellness check, not validation of their sexual preferences by someone else. If that was their reason for going to the office that day, their request was satisfied.
    There isn't much to say other than in my own view, but obviously not yours, whether discrimination in the marketplace based on sexual preference is ethically or morally acceptable is not a facts and circumstances question.

    So we can agree to disagree.

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