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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have no idea what someone whose religious beliefs prohibit him from performing a medical treatment that he is going to have to perform would go into medicine in the first place.
    Abortion- end of life, turning off the equipment. I can see that. But the child was refused care due to her parents being gay. 6 day old kid. Does the Dr ask her patients about sexual orientation- does her circle of friends include gays, of the later and she has gay friends, puts the kibosh to her religious belief reason.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    What was the harm to Rosa Parks?
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    She wasn't being treated equally. She was being ordered to move to a section of the bus against her wishes.
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    Okay, so you think Rosa Parks wasn't treated unfairly? I'd like to understand your point.
    Of course she was treated unfairly, unequally. But more importantly the courts agreed.

    Did the courts find that there was injustice in the way that Rosa parks was treated? Unfairly? In equally. Yes. And there are direct parallels in the OP incident:

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    But there were other seats, right? There were other doctors at the medical center.

    Her wishes didnt matter. Neither did the lesbian couple's wishes.

    THere were other seats....what was the harm? There were other doctors, what was the harm?

    The application of 'equality' had to be established here, for this incident with RP, by the courts. Before that, she was just being asked to take another seat.

    And as has been written many times, that is what will now be examined by the courts regarding the incident of the doctor telling the parents to take their baby down the hall to another doctor. The broader recognition of a harmful (to society) pattern.

    I can rely on my signature below, in green.
    You kept claiming that there was no harm done to the baby (it was harm to the parents, not the baby). We said that it was a demonstration of a larger potential harmful pattern. Just like with Rosa Parks. You just said she was harmed by being treated unequally. What was 'unequal' about how Rosa Parks was treated if there were other seats on the bus?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    There is evidence to suggest that girls perform better in certain academic subjects if they are put into classrooms with only other girls. Not allowing the girls to be treated like they are "2nd class" by allowing them to be segregated at school harms society.
    LOL yeah? Actually it is treating them like 2nd class citizens....because they've been taught that girls arent as smart in some subject areas by society and not prepped earlier in their lives to do so. That separation is actually to repair that damage. And it's not permanent throughout the school system or all grades.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Of course she was treated unfairly, unequally. But more importantly the courts agreed.

    Did the courts find that there was injustice in the way that Rosa parks was treated? Unfairly? In equally. Yes. And there are direct parallels in the OP incident:



    You kept claiming that there was no harm done to the baby (it was harm to the parents, not the baby). We said that it was a demonstration of a larger potential harmful pattern. Just like with Rosa Parks. You just said she was harmed by being treated unequally. What was 'unequal' about how Rosa Parks was treated if there were other seats on the bus?

    If you want to pretend that this story is somehow parallel to the plight of black people before the 1960s, please do so without me, Lursa. You're making a martyr out of a baby who saw Dr. Y for her wellness check instead of Dr. X. That's ridiculous and way too dramatic for me.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    And I will consistently point out that it is exactly about forcing people to do what they don't want to do. I can't recall you expressing that particular point in this case, but then I've only been replying to your quotes.

    The physician elected not to even see this infant or her parents, unless you are reading something different, many on this thread are saying that it is wrong and that discrimination laws should apply. Again, that is their opinion and I disagree with it.
    And as the Law is now, the Dr has that right. Hope you never need a transfusion and the only Dr on duty is a JW, as you ain't gonna get that life saving transfusion. You die.
    Do you agree with that Drs. right to refuse life saving medical care?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    LOL yeah? Actually it is treating them like 2nd class citizens....because they've been taught that girls arent as smart in some subject areas by society and not prepped earlier in their lives to do so. That separation is actually to repair that damage. And it's not permanent throughout the school system or all grades.
    Neither is saying no lesbian babies permanent throughout the healthcare system.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If you want to pretend that this story is somehow parallel to the plight of black people before the 1960s, please do so without me, Lursa. You're making a martyr out of a baby who saw Dr. Y for her wellness check instead of Dr. X. That's ridiculous and way too dramatic for me.
    Ah...so you tried to get me to support RP pretending that it was relevant? And now that I've proven it was, you want to deny it?

    Sorry my arguments are inconvenient for you. You just admitted the parallel that you clearly wrote out, in bold, and that I connected...now doesnt work for you.

    LMAO. Yeah, we'll just stick with my signature below, in green. Your words are there too....I made sure to keep it all bold.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Abortion- end of life, turning off the equipment. I can see that. But the child was refused care due to her parents being gay. 6 day old kid. Does the Dr ask her patients about sexual orientation- does her circle of friends include gays, of the later and she has gay friends, puts the kibosh to her religious belief reason.
    Problems I see, and I just getting acquainted with the topic.

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    The child got care that day. As far as what friends the doctor has, I assume those are rhetorical musings and I'm not sure why they're in a post that you are making with my post quoted in it. I don't know about her friends and really wouldn't care about what friends a doctor in Michigan has.

    Abortion? Turning off equipment? Not sure what they have to do with what I posted. I know quite a few pro-life doctors. None of them perform abortions. They aren't in that field. Turning off equipment I didn't think was medical care. And is there a crisis in this country that involve doctors refusing to turn off equipment? I wasn't aware of one.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Neither is saying no lesbian babies permanent throughout the healthcare system.
    That makes no sense. Thanks for playing.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    That makes no sense. Thanks for playing.
    Neither does saying all segregation is bad. You are welcome. I always enjoy proving people inadequate for their assertions.

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