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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What harm could have come to her if she was refused admittance to the bus?
    If she were left somewhere and a disturbance occurred. If she had to walk thru or wait in a dangerous area to the bus stop. If she were ill and needed medical attention, on her way to a doctor......ad infinitem.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Fine, then pass a law that says nobody in any profession is allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, and the consumer can demand service whether the provider chooses to provide it or not. Period. That sounds fair.
    For medical? No, there shouldn't be any reason. Most dveloped countries already don't allow that... except America, where we don't allow that based on religion, disability, or race, but do allow it if you're a woman or gay. Bigotry is alive and well in the US, and sometimes even codified.

    For non-essential private businesses? Put in behavioral exceptions (rude or threatening interactions, non-payment, etc). But people who happen to be of minority status shouldn't have to wander around town trying to find someplace to serve them.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You keep shifting the frame of your argument without seeing that I'm not arguing. The origin of all laws start with someone's opinion of how something should be (in their opinion). When there is a critical mass, laws are passed. Clearly many people on this thread are upset that the law and the medical community support the actions of this physician. Their solution--there should be a law forcing the physician to do something. My solution--market forces will decide the fate of this physician.
    I haven't shifted anything. I have consistently pointed out that you are wrong to say this is about forcing people to do things they don't want to because other people want them to do it.

    However, you are now shifting by pretending that this is a discussion of how laws are passed in a democratic system.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    How was she being harmed?
    Is that a rhetorical question?

    I already said it:

    She wasn't being treated equally. She was being ordered to move to a section of the bus against her wishes.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, I'm asking your opinion of the law. Should it be illegal to discriminate?

    I already know it is illegal to discriminate based on the scenario I gave.
    You are not going to get an answer from her on this. Her position is clear on this - she will deny this has anything to do with discrimination, so asking her about other types of discrimination is just going to result in you receiving more evasions.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If she were left somewhere and a disturbance occurred. If she had to walk thru or wait in a dangerous area to the bus stop. If she were ill and needed medical attention, on her way to a doctor......ad infinitem.
    So either because of decisions she made on her own or because of illness.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Rosa Parks? Okay, I'll play the Rosa Parks hypothetical, but that won't stop me from laughing at this being compared to the Rosa Parks story.

    Let's see. Rosa Parks paid for a bus ticket. Same as the white people on the bus did. Their ticket allowed them to sit wherever they wanted. Hers didn't. She wasn't being treated equally. She was being ordered to move to a section of the bus against her wishes. She refused to do it.

    Okay, and that has to do with the baby being seen by the doctor's partner....how again?
    You can laugh if you want. Claudette Colvin is the first one to have a bus incident. The media just preferred Rosa Parks.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Dr. Roi believes God talks to her, and feels confident enough to apply these "insights" to her practice of medicine. Who knows what the voices in her head will say? If you are looking for medical science, keep looking. She's more of a witchdoctor.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So there was no harm done
    There was harm done. Segregation is harmful to all of us.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is that a rhetorical question?

    I already said it:

    She wasn't being treated equally. She was being ordered to move to a section of the bus against her wishes.
    Being treated unequally is not a harm by itself. Someone telling you to move is also not a harm.

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