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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Fine, then pass a law that says nobody in any profession is allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason, and the consumer can demand service whether the provider chooses to provide it or not. Period. That sounds fair.
    How about instead we just make doctors care for sick children and if their religious beliefs make that impossible we just yank their medical license.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Wow, have you actually read the Hippocratic Oath? I wouldn't have guessed that you were a strong advocate for this little gem: "Moreover, I will get no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child."
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, I'm asking your opinion of the law. Should it be illegal to discriminate?

    I already know it is illegal to discriminate based on the scenario I gave.
    I'm not a lawyer, and my opinion of the law isn't relevant to this story. This is the same reason I don't wander into the abortion section. Hypotheticals and emotion take over and there is no more rational posting.

    Nobody was harmed here. Nobody was hurt. I don't agree with the doctor's beliefs but I also don't agree with those of you who are demanding that she put her beliefs aside for no particular reason other than "what if?".
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about instead we just make doctors care for sick children and if their religious beliefs make that impossible we just yank their medical license.
    Can't help you with that. Maybe the AMA?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Rosa Parks? Okay, I'll play the Rosa Parks hypothetical, but that won't stop me from laughing at this being compared to the Rosa Parks story.

    Let's see. Rosa Parks paid for a bus ticket. Same as the white people on the bus did. Their ticket allowed them to sit wherever they wanted. Hers didn't. She wasn't being treated equally. She was being ordered to move to a section of the bus against her wishes. She refused to do it.

    Okay, and that has to do with the baby being seen by the doctor's partner....how again?
    So there was no harm done, the case was examined in the courts to see if there would be/was an indication of a pattern. A potentially harmful pattern. A *hypothetical* pattern.

    Was it possible that Rosa Parks would have been refused admittance to the bus if there were no seats available in the back? Hypothetically, yes. Could that have eventually led to harm? Hypothetically, yes. Was this indicative of a dangerous pattern in society that had to be examined and addressed? Subjectively, yes.

    And the courts did so, all based on what you describe as 'hypothetical' situations that were 'irrelevant' to the actual incident. And interestingly enough, that was a major court decision, a landmark towards creating a better country. Just from regular ol' woman on a bus...nobody in particular, just with a different skin color, livin' the 'negro lifestyle.'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    More logically, re: Rosa Parks, we can look at one woman on a bus and one bus driver. She was asked to move to another seat....at the back. No harm would have been done for her to move to the back of the bus. One person, one incident, no harm. Totally meaningless, right?

    Others have attempted to make this issue clear on this type of basis, I dont see the point of more detail because apparently either it's meaningless or it's irrelevant to the OP and would be dismissed.
    IMO, this is what should be argued. Arguing about the possibility of harm to the baby is a weak argument for what should be obvious reasons by now

    The issue is one of "equal, but separate" and history has proven that such segregation is harmful to the nation. Let the apologists argue that they're not the same because Jim Crow was much worse in which case their argument is "what's so bad about a little segregation?"
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So there was no harm done, the case was examined in the courts to see if there would be/was an indication of a pattern. A potentially harmful pattern. A *hypothetical* pattern.

    Was it possible that Rosa Parks would have been refused admittance to the bus if there were no seats available in the back? Hypothetically, yes. Could that have eventually led to harm? Hypothetically, yes. Was this indicative of a dangerous pattern in society that had to be examined and addressed? Subjectively, yes.

    And the courts did so, all based on what you describe as 'hypothetical' situations that were 'irrelevant' to the actual incident. And interestingly enough, that was a major court decision, a landmark towards creating a better country. Just from regular ol' woman on a bus...nobody in particular, just with a different skin color, livin' the 'negro lifestyle.'
    Rosa Parks was being harmed. No hypothetical about it. Not sure what this means.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Was it possible that Rosa Parks would have been refused admittance to the bus if there were no seats available in the back? Hypothetically, yes. Could that have eventually led to harm? Hypothetically, yes. Was this indicative of a dangerous pattern in society that had to be examined and addressed? Subjectively, yes.
    What harm could have come to her if she was refused admittance to the bus?

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Rosa Parks was being harmed. No hypothetical about it. Not sure what this means.
    How was she being harmed?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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