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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So a doctor refusing to provide non-emergency treatment to a black child would be OK if the child suffered no substantial harm

    Separate but equal is not equal.
    I hope you know I agree with you. In other words, I don't believe, "It worked out fine IN THIS CASE" is a legitimate defense of this doctor.

    At least those resting on principle (the libertarian one - no one is owed anyone else's labor) have a clear position. The rest saying it was OK here because another doctor took the child are just saying something along the lines of 'people have a right to discriminate, unless it harms someone' which isn't saying much IMO. Shorthand for that is "separate but equal."

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So then you agree that the baby wasn't harmed, and you agree that the parents weren't harmed. You just don't like that the doctor exercised her religious belief.
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    You choose to only see this incident. I think every single other person in this thread except for 1 or 2 at least see the broader implications of not examining her decision with a view towards allowing other doctors to do the same.

    I have not yet once claimed I said she behaved improperly. If there are no laws or policies that demand she treat the child, then she is allowed to do so. My personal opinion of her actions has nothing to do with ***the broader implications her decision can make if other doctors can do the same.*** Again...you dont see the forest for the tree.

    Everyone else in the thread does (even if they dont agree she was wrong).

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Why are you quoting yourself and me at the same time? Oh wait, I see. You want me to go down the slippery slope routine with you.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So in other words, doctors in a group practice have to see every patient who shows up and demands to see that doctor.

    I don't agree. Doctors in a group practice should be free to share patients, and if the patients don't like it, they're free to find another doctor.

    Doctors are there to provide medical care. The baby got medical care. The practice did its job.
    And if none of them are willing to see a patient who is black, white, Catholic, Muslim, etc.? What if it is simply that none of those who are willing to see those patients are available because of some emergency or that those particular doctors leave the practice?

    As I asked the other poster, why protect certain people from being able to be discriminated against for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual services being provided if they can simply go somewhere else? Do you disagree with all public accommodation laws? Do you disagree with the ERA that protects people from being turned away like here based on their race or relative race to their husband/wife? How about due to their religion or relative religion?

    The baby in this instance got medical care only because the other doctor wasn't busy and didn't agree with the first doctor who had the objections.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And why is it that those things are protected? Why bother if someone else could simply see that person or their child?

    Plus, last I looked, your hair color isn't protected against discrimination.
    Oh c'mon, you heard all the answers to those questions a thousand times before, don't play dumb. Those things are "protected" constitutionally (federal and states).

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why are you quoting yourself and me at the same time?
    Because there is no point in writing the same thing over and over. The answer is there.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The purpose of the discrimination laws were to prevent people from being refused service, and from being harmed. This baby was not harmed, and the couple received the exact same service that the next set of parents got for their child.
    And blacks got the same exact water from the blacks only water fountain.

    Separate but equal went out of fashion for a good reason.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    It was stupid decision and one that is NOT in alignment with Biblical standards. But she does have the legal right to do so.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Because there is no point in writing the same thing over and over. The answer is there.
    I see it now. The slippery slope.

    I don't play that game.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And blacks got the same exact water from the blacks only water fountain.

    Separate but equal went out of fashion for a good reason.
    That's nice, and also irrelevant. But you know that.

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