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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So you think the laws are going to change? I don't.

    I didn't say anything about being related to Plan B. I mentioned abortion because you said this:

    unwanted pregnancies, and therefore either potentially insurmountable expense, or harm to the woman, potentially ending in death

    And you also mentioned Plan B.

    Where did the doctor tell the parents that they made her feel unclean?
    What do those things have to do with abortion? They're reality regardless of what she does with it. And Plan B isn't an abortion.

    Anyway, yes, I do expect the laws to change -- or rather the lack of laws protecting people from bigoted doctors, because we didn't use to have any issue with this, and therefore there's no laws about it at all in most cases.

    You don't think that's the implication of saying he won't even treat a gay couple's child? Are you being intentionally dense?

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Let's be clear, this wasn't about emergency care, heck this wasn't even a doctor's appointment for something wrong, it was a standard wellness check. Also, the child was immediately seen for the check by another doctor in the same group. The parents didn't even need to reschedule. They easily found another HMO to treat them going forward.

    This is mountain out of molehill time.

    Yup. Exactly what I've been saying.

    If they went in that morning to see doctor X, and instead had to see doctor Y, they would have been like most people who have been to doctors in a group practice at some point. If she had called out sick that day, nothing would have been any different. But instead we have drama, hysterics, and talk of dying.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    What do those things have to do with abortion? They're reality regardless of what she does with it. And Plan B isn't an abortion.

    Anyway, yes, I do expect the laws to change -- or rather the lack of laws protecting people from bigoted doctors, because we didn't use to have any issue with this, and therefore there's no laws about it at all in most cases.

    You don't think that's the implication of saying he won't even treat a gay couple's child? Are you being intentionally dense?
    I didn't say Plan B had anything to do with abortion. You mentioned Plan B and abortion in your post to me. I said I wasn't talking about Plan B and abortion, and you ask me if I'm being dense? FFS.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't say Plan B had anything to do with abortion. You mentioned Plan B and abortion in your post to me. I said I wasn't talking about Plan B and abortion, and you ask me if I'm being dense? FFS.
    I mentioned nothing about abortion. I mentioned the implications of pregnancies women are not prepared for, whether they birth or abort or even miscarry.

    I notice you're still ignoring the clear implication here.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And really, what parent that's worth two ****s wants to have a doctor who is opposed to the choices they've made as people to be the main source of medical care for their precious child?
    When I was a new mother, the relationship with my babies' doctor was huge to me. That's why we left one and moved to another when we didn't like the way she spoke to us and treated us when we asked a question. We didn't go to medical school - she did - so we asked for clarification of some medical term, and she was obnoxious and rude to us. We asked for our kids' records to be transferred to another practice after getting some recommendations from friends. It wasn't the end of the world. And it was the best thing for everyone.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'd love to be in a thread where the discussion is about policemen and firemen and doctors and other emergency responders refuse to help someone based on religious beliefs. That isn't this thread.
    Actually, it is a discussion on what people choose to discuss in the thread.

    And it's not just about an isolated incident...it should be obvious to you by now that many here believe it has broader implications for society. And that there are already precedents to use as examples. I used cops and firemen. I also used a logical hypothetical situation that could occur in a more dangerous context.

    I also explained why it was important to examine it in broader context: to protect the doctors AND patients in the future.

    If you choose not to discuss the OP with regards to those very relevant offshoots, then dont.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    When I was a new mother, the relationship with my babies' doctor was huge to me. That's why we left one and moved to another when we didn't like the way she spoke to us and treated us when we asked a question. We didn't go to medical school - she did - so we asked for clarification of some medical term, and she was obnoxious and rude to us. We asked for our kids' records to be transferred to another practice after getting some recommendations from friends. It wasn't the end of the world. And it was the best thing for everyone.

    And pretty damn normal for parents who care about their children more than their own lifestyle. We went through a few doctors before we found the right one. Same with dentists. Not a big deal at all.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I mentioned nothing about abortion. I mentioned the implications of pregnancies women are not prepared for, whether they birth or abort or even miscarry.

    I notice you're still ignoring the clear implication here.
    Oh, so the "Plan B" debacle had nothing to do with pharmacists thinking it was an abortion inducing pill, and that wasn't in your mind when you posted about Plan B. Of course.

    Okay, let me rephrase my post. I wasn't talking about Plan B.

    There is no implication. If you believe this to be a terrible tragedy, fine. I don't. We will have to disagree.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    I love these threads. It's like a big outrage parade, where some people wear their outrage finery for all to see, all the while trying to out-outrage the last person. ****ing hilarious!
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Actually, it is a discussion on what people choose to discuss in the thread.

    And it's not just about an isolated incident...it should be obvious to you by now that many here believe it has broader implications for society. And that there are already precedents to use as examples. I used cops and firemen. I also used a logical hypothetical situation that could occur in a more dangerous context.

    I also explained why it was important to examine it in broader context: to protect the doctors AND patients in the future.

    If you choose not to discuss the OP with regards to those very relevant offshoots, then dont.
    Oh, okay. Then ask the people who want to discuss firemen and policemen and emergencies to discuss that, Lursa. I'm in a thread about a non-emergency situation. So I guess you just wasted your fingers with me because I'm not going off tangent with you.
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