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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And that's the beauty of this story. She didn't see their baby, and another perfectly qualified doctor in the same practice did, with no inconvenience to the parents at all. And now the parents are free to leave the practice and go elsewhere if they want. Which is why there's no major story here.
    I disagree. If I was a parent in that area I sure would appreciate knowing which paediatrician to avoid. I expect my doctors to have a little more self-control than this woman mustered. I'm not impressed with her and I frankly question her emotional stability. I'm glad the story is out there. I mean what's next? A teacher requesting that all children whose parents she disapproves of be removed from her class and given to another teacher? Shouldn't we expect a little more strength of character in certain professions?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doctors have been "mutilating" the genitals of babies for a long time.

    And just because you think they are unnecessary, doesn't make it true. You are not a doctor, nor are you truly concerned about the mental health of such people.
    Indeed, and it does a considerable amount of harm and thus violates their oath. It also doesn't treat or cure the condition, but instead deals with the side effects of the condition.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If I had to call 911, I just want someone to show up. I don't care who it is. Do you?

    Cops and firemen tend to respond to emergencies. This story? Not an emergency. It was a prescheduled baby wellness check.
    Yes, but when the fireman got there and discovered you were a lesbian couple, is it ok not to put the fire out? (I hate to say it but from what I've read in other threads here, there are those that would be happy to see a gay couple burn in those prophetic fires of Hell).

    And I agree this was a non-issue for *this* baby...but I am looking at it from a broader level...the implications that it could have. If it's ok for this doctor to refuse treatment....is it also ok if she was the only doc and it was an emergency?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Reality is that she should have said this to begin with, at the very least. The article states they had talked to her during prenatal care, and she set up the appointment. Then she refused to see them. It is completely possible that her partner couldn't have seen them but then she would have had to see them or cancelled their appointment due to her religion based bigotry.
    It's completely possible that she could have gotten run over by a bus on the morning of the baby's scheduled visit and not seen the baby either. But the partner saw the baby, didn't she? And there is nothing in the story that says that she didn't discuss this with her partner in advance, is there?

    Hypotheticals. We can play them all day long. How about addressing the story, and what did happen. And it wasn't a tragedy or even an inconvenience to the parents. It's a group practice.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You used to date one of the mothers at the center of this story? Okay, so that's why this is personal to you.
    Come now at least show enough integrity to acknowledge that you agree with this kind of bigotry. You have made enough apologies already for it and also had enough dodges.

    I'm glad we as adults and parents get to choose our own doctors.
    Yes, me too, but as you well know it this is not about choosing doctors, but about the bigotry of one, which you clearly support.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

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    Maybe not in your world but this is reality.
    In reality people serve those they either consent to serve or those they are forced to.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's completely possible that she could have gotten run over by a bus on the morning of the baby's scheduled visit and not seen the baby either. But the partner saw the baby, didn't she? And there is nothing in the story that says that she didn't discuss this with her partner in advance, is there?

    Hypotheticals. We can play them all day long. How about addressing the story, and what did happen. And it wasn't a tragedy or even an inconvenience to the parents. It's a group practice.
    Not really the point, IMO. I'm looking at it as a precedent....is that behavior ok in the broader sense because of course...others may behave similarly.

    Perhaps that's why a court case is a good idea....to examine the issue and provide at least protections for the doctors (if warranted) and for patients.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes, but when the fireman got there and discovered you were a lesbian couple, is it ok not to put the fire out?

    And I agree this was a non-issue for *this* baby...but I am looking at it from a broader level...the implications that it could have. If it's ok for this doctor to refuse treatment....is it also ok if she was the only doc and it was an emergency?
    A fireman can't decide he won't put a fire out because he doesn't like the people, unless there are other firemen with him who can do the job without him. Then if he choses to walk away, it's between him and his superiors. As long as my house is saved as it's supposed to be, why would I care ?

    The other big difference being this wasn't an emergency situation. People are turning this into an emergency situation. It wasn't. That would be entirely different if this couple drove their sick baby to a hospital and the only doctor there refused to see the baby. But that isn't what happened. In fact, not even close.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Who says doctors are allowed to remove patients from their practice and force the patient to go to the ER and pay more money? And who decided someone should die?

    How did this story become about dying? She had her partner see the baby for a wellness check on the day and time of the scheduled visit.
    What if there aren't alternative doctors? What if the alternative doctors are also bigots?

    Then the parents waste time and their child isn't getting health care. Eventually, this can end in sickness and huge bills if they just resort to going to the only place they're certain won't turn them away.

    We have seen this before, in the form of the Plan B debacle, which leads to unwanted pregnancies, and therefore either potentially insurmountable expense, or harm to the woman, potentially ending in death. And just like in those threads, the defenders in this one mostly don't care whether there had been an alternative doctor or not. The person I'm responding to didn't seem to -- they defend the "right" of doctors to refuse to do their job based on their bigotry.

    And even if that isn't the eventuality, I'm sorry, but when you're on the clock, your personal BS needs to go on the back burner. Just do you job like everyone else. This couple and their child don't deserve to be subject to emotional brow-beating and humiliation by supposed "professionals" either. Their lives are hard enough being gay in America.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Come now at least show enough integrity to acknowledge that you agree with this kind of bigotry. You have made enough apologies already for it and also had enough dodges.

    Yes, me too, but as you well know it this is not about choosing doctors, but about the bigotry of one, which you clearly support.
    Please stop asking me to join the emotional bandwagon you're on. I don't care who likes who. Not my business, and I'll show you the same courtesy by not asking you to dislike the same people that I don't like.
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