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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yes that is quite clear, hence to impression that you are an apologist for it.

    Of course I do I used to date her...
    But why are yo making this stuff up?

    Except this is not about that but the failure of a bigot to do what she took upon herself to do.

    Relevance?
    You used to date one of the mothers at the center of this story? Okay, so that's why this is personal to you.

    Sorry, it isn't to me. But I support your right to make a crusade out of this story. Just don't expect everyone else to care about it. I'm glad we as adults and parents get to choose our own doctors.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    1.)I don't assume she's anything. I don't really care what her religion is. It's not relevant to anything.
    2.)Not my business what who people marry, and not my business what other adults think of other people's choice of marriage partners, either. She's free to not want to associate with the parents, just as they're free not to want to associate with her.
    3.)The baby got medical care.
    1.) not entirely true . . . it is relevant because she made is so but again I dont care about hair splitting
    2.) yes she is if that is all we are talking about and in this current case she broke no official laws, i bet that changes there soon those as it should
    3.) never claimed she didnt in general i pointed out who the woman denied it to in counter point to the splitting hair claim of its just the parents.

    SO again is your curiosity settled lol?
    There no logical reason to assume she is christian so i didnt
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That didnt answer my question. In each case...Dr, cop, fireman, there would be cases where there was little or no time to shift responsibilities to others. Are their religious beliefs a justifiable reason to deny assistance?
    If I had to call 911, I just want someone to show up. I don't care who it is. Do you?

    Cops and firemen tend to respond to emergencies. This story? Not an emergency. It was a prescheduled baby wellness check.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    These doctors, or in any state, are not permitted to deny emergency care
    Why, aren't their convictions or faith just as valid?

    The point I was trying to make is, why wouldn't you as a homosexual seek out service from those that were more accepting?
    Normally yes, but the issue is that once such bigotry becomes acceptable at some level it becomes acceptable at all levels.

    By the way how do you feel about being humiliated? Does it just roll of your back, do you feel angry, even a desire to even the score?

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    These doctors, or in any state, are not permitted to deny emergency care, not even in Michigan. The point I was trying to make is, why wouldn't you as a homosexual seek out service from those that were more accepting?

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    Because doctors don't have personal profiles that say, "Not a bigoted asshole -- gays and their children accepted here." That's why.

    So, what, they should just wander around knocking on doors until they find one, meanwhile their child isn't getting their regular check-ups, or perhaps their treatment for an illness? Or perhaps resort to paying 5 times as much money by going to the ER, if they can't afford any further delay?

    Why? Why should doctors be permitted to subject people to that? Why should gay people have to look for a doctor who's "accepting" in the first place? Everyone deals with people they don't like while on the job, and usually in jobs that are far less critical than health care. Yet doctors, who decide if people live or die, should be the exception?

    Why the hell should that be allowed?

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No one serves the public. Your entire line of reasoning is based on a false premise.
    Maybe not in your world but this is reality.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) not entirely true . . . it is relevant because she made is so but again I dont care about hair splitting
    2.) yes she is if that is all we are talking about and in this current case she broke no official laws, i bet that changes there soon those as it should
    3.) never claimed she didnt in general i pointed out who the woman denied it to in counter point to the splitting hair claim of its just the parents.

    SO again is your curiosity settled lol?
    There no logical reason to assume she is christian so i didnt
    So you don't assume she's Christian. Okay. Good. I don't care what her religion is. It isn't relevant anyway.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She served the baby by having her partner see the baby. Which was probably a better experience for the parents as well. Why would they want to have a doctor see their baby who refuses to see them the same way a hetero couple is seen?
    Reality is that she should have said this to begin with, at the very least. The article states they had talked to her during prenatal care, and she set up the appointment. Then she refused to see them. It is completely possible that her partner couldn't have seen them but then she would have had to see them or cancelled their appointment due to her religion based bigotry.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    I don't get the reasoning here. Is the baby gay?

    When she gets shamed out of business she won't get any sympathy from me.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Because doctors don't have personal profiles that say, "Not a bigoted asshole -- gays and their children accepted here." That's why.

    So, what, they should just wander around knocking on doors until they find one, meanwhile their child isn't getting their regular check-ups, or perhaps their treatment for an illness? Or perhaps resort to paying 5 times as much money by going to the ER, if they can't afford any further delay?

    Why? Why should doctors be permitted to subject people to that? Why should gay people have to look for a doctor who's "accepting" in the first place? Everyone deals with people they don't like while on the job, and usually in jobs that are far less critical than health care. Yet doctors, who decide if people live or die, should be the exception?

    Why the hell should that be allowed?
    Who says doctors are allowed to remove patients from their practice and force the patient to go to the ER and pay more money? And who decided someone should die?

    How did this story become about dying? She had her partner see the baby for a wellness check on the day and time of the scheduled visit.
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