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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LOL i KNEW you wouldnt answer because it further expose the failure in your posts
    also you MIGHT want to read the thread again you seem lost and have no clue what you are talking about lol
    let us know when you have any facts that support your failed claims, thanks!
    You still haven't posted any facts that you say support your idiotic claims.

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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are Christian religions that oppose interracial and interfaith marriages. Do they get the same ability to deny checkups to a child that has mixed faith or mixed parents? What about a Christian doctor who refuses to see children of unwed mothers?
    I asked him a question about his post because I hope he clarifies it. I'm not interested in debating marriages. You have to ask someone who is.
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    who said that?
    also youll have to be more specific with the word oppose and marriage . . . .
    to give an answer that might help you, yes some Christians will not conduct a religious marriage for gays based on their religious beliefs?
    You said:

    This is false, I dont assume she is a Christian, I am one and Christianity has nothing to do with this in reality, if this woman claims it does she is dishonest.

    I was curious why you don't assume she's Christian.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    I recall, at some point in my DP history, using the example of "What if a doctor denied baby care because he didn't think the parents should have had a baby" as an intentionally absurd extension to people who are ok with doctors and pharmacologistis denying Plan B and permanent birth control procedures, another place where for some reason Americans allow doctors to refuse to do their job over their sanctimony.

    I never imagined in a million years a doctor would be enough of a bigoted prick to actually do it.

    It's terrible enough to deny care because you assume a woman is a slut, or you're so patronizing that you don't believe women are intellectually capable of making their own family planning choices.

    But to project that onto a baby? Really? This is where America fallen to? And people are defending this? Denying health care to someone who didn't even get to make any choices in the first place, because of who their parents happen to be?

    People are so dogmatic about defending the bigoted's supposed "right" to harm others that they would allow a doctor to deny a baby health care? What if this had been an issue of illness, rather than routine?

    No law can function in reality, when you look at it in a vacuum. That's why there's a "yelling fire in a crowded room" exception. But if that were to come up as a case today, I bet people would sit there and shrug about people getting trampled to death because some idiot decided to start a stampede, defending his "speech rights."

    Doctors who are unwilling to do their job need their license revoked. They should not be able to refuse care because they don't like someone, much less refuse care because they don't like someone who isn't even their patient. Their job is to serve the health of the population. If they can't deal with that, they should do something else.

    Is everyone just going to let this get to the point where they have no idea if a given doctor will help them and they just have to knock on doors until they find someone who isn't a selfish asshole? America's health care system is broken enough, without adding in exceptions for bigots to refuse to help their patients.

    There was a time when doctors were expected to keep their personal nonsense to themselves and just do their damn job, rather than being permitted to hang people's health in the balance of their judgmentality. If you want to preech to the unwashed masses, go be a pastor.

    I don't give a **** about the "free speech" of doctors on the job. Their job is to treat people, not to make a point. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be in the health care profession. People's health is too important to be subject to the whims of bigots.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    If I were gay I wouldn't be seeking treatment, service or anything from anyone that looked down upon me, or whispered as I walked by. I understand that the government can legislate laws that provide a legal remedy for discrimination, but it cannot legislate acceptance or tolerance, and the distinction is one really worth noting. Why would you want to have anything done by someone that thinks (For whatever reason or motive) you're dirty and icky, or whatever, why? Are these homosexuals under some delusion that because the government says so, that people all of a sudden will begin accepting them? No, of course not, so why bother? According to a great many here, the public is coming around to gays, and their lifestyle choices, so then it follows that there are many, many other options for any particular service; service that would be performed by someone more open and tolerant, even accepting. That's where I do business if I'm gay. I don't expect someone to just automatically like me..


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    The real real issue is where to draw the line, because not every case works out lie this one where another doctor saw the baby. Life is full of unexpected events and accidents, and if all the people who took it upon themselves to serve the public all of a sudden started picking and choosing who among the public meets their criteria, we would see the end of civilized society.

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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well seeing as there is no "fag baby" in this story. I don't care.
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I think a being a doctor is a profession and a business. And you should reserve the right to do business with whom you choose.
    Does that go for cops and firemen too?

    This doc was part of a larger practice....

    Do cops and firemen give up their right to practice their religious beliefs in the commission of their jobs?
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    Re: Bigotry is well and alive even among doctors.

    You know if somebody steals from you, like a accountant why would you want to do business with them. I mean i would just take my business elsewhere. Not to mention if they give you the money back or had thier partner give it back, than that would be ok right?. Better yet if after they stole from you but they referred you to the partner that wouldn't steal from you that would probably be a more enjoyable for you. I mean why would you want to do business with somebody that stole from you. Do you expect people will just like you enough not to steal from you? Yeah theres nothign to complain about in that case or think thats it wrong. no need to make stealing in that particular case illegal just go some where else where your business is wanted and its more pleasant for you, its that simply . . .

    lol
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    First do no harm. I have no problem with a bakery withholding a cake based on religious belief. But medical care is a whole nother ballgame. You cant refuse medical care based on sexual orientation.
    Absolutely do no harm. But the baby wasn't harmed. The baby got care, just from a different doctor, and the unlike in the case of the baker, the parents didn't have to seek out the other doctor. This doctor arranged it. So what was the harm specifically?
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    Re: Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientat

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You said:

    This is false, I dont assume she is a Christian, I am one and Christianity has nothing to do with this in reality, if this woman claims it does she is dishonest.

    I was curious why you don't assume she's Christian.
    why would I? do you?
    thats easy to answer, theres nothing in Christianity that says she can't provide healthcare to that child
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