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Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108 mill

Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Stop being scared. It's ok, nobodies going to hurt you. America has the biggest ****ing kick ass army in the world, and did the whole time Carter was president too!!!!!! Stop being a *****, stop shaking like a leaf on a tree. It's ok, if we ever really get threatened, bad, we'll nuke another city, kill a couple hundred thousand civilians and teach the world not to **** with us again for 60 years. It's ok, really.

That's a pretty clueless, gutless response.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Here's a big difference. Reagan had to rebuild our military, and that was money well worth spending. Also, due to his policies, the economy was booming and the additional debt was easily handled.
Really? When did we handle it?
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

That's a pretty clueless, gutless response.

Lol. Seems more like you have your pants around your knees. How about a real response?
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Lol. Seems more like you have your pants around your knees. How about a real response?

You make a dopey response, but want a serious one from me? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Post something thoughtful first.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

it should be noted that federal law dictates, that Fedex and UPS cannot undercut USPS

I learned something new.

Also, good job by the fed protecting a service that can easily be privatized.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

Unless the Constitution is changed, which will never happen, the USPS can not be eliminated. Congress can't agree on simple cost cutting measures like eliminating Saturday deliveries let alone changing the Constitution and eliminating the USPS.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

Unless the Constitution is changed, which will never happen, the USPS can not be eliminated. Congress can't agree on simple cost cutting measures like eliminating Saturday deliveries let alone changing the Constitution and eliminating the USPS.

But they could change the law that allows privatized organizations to operate for less.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads"

Unless the Constitution is changed, which will never happen, the USPS can not be eliminated. Congress can't agree on simple cost cutting measures like eliminating Saturday deliveries let alone changing the Constitution and eliminating the USPS.

The Constitution does not require the existence of the USPS. Congress could eliminate it any time they wish to.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The Constitution does not require the existence of the USPS. Congress could eliminate it any time they wish to.

I disagree.. It was established by the Constitution, it is Constitutionally mandated. My guess is the USPS has the Constitution on its side. But anyway that's not really the point. Even if they wanted to get rid of it as I pointed out before Congress won't let the USPS eliminate Saturday deliveries let alone eliminating the whole USPS.

Also some of the USPS money problems have nothing to do with the USPS. They absolutely need to make some cost cutting measures, but another problem is Congress forces USPS put money into pensions that don't exist yet. Which costs USPS billions every year. UPS doesn't do that. Neither does Fedex. I don't know any private company that does, but thanks to Congress the USPS has to. Madness.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

I disagree.. It was established by the Constitution, it is Constitutionally mandated. My guess is the USPS has the Constitution on its side. But anyway that's not really the point. Even if they wanted to get rid of it as I pointed out before Congress won't let the USPS eliminate Saturday deliveries let alone eliminating the whole USPS.

Also some of the USPS money problems have nothing to do with the USPS. They absolutely need to make some cost cutting measures, but another problem is Congress forces USPS put money into pensions that don't exist yet. Which costs USPS billions every year. UPS doesn't do that. Neither does Fedex. I don't know any private company that does, but thanks to Congress the USPS has to. Madness.

Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to establish the post office. Nothing says they have to and nothing says the post office must have exclusive rights to deliver the mail.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to establish the post office. Nothing says they have to and nothing says the post office must have exclusive rights to deliver the mail.

The Constitution mandates the government operate and regulate the USPS, not private businesses. But this is way above my pay scale. I'm not a Constitutional Lawyer, and neither are you. I doubt either one of us know if the USPS can be eliminated with out violating the Constitution.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The Constitution mandates the government operate and regulate the USPS, not private businesses. But this is way above my pay scale. I'm not a Constitutional Lawyer, and neither are you. I doubt either one of us know if the USPS can be eliminated with out violating the Constitution.

Of course it could be eliminated by Congress.... if they wanted to that is which is doubtful.

It won't be long before the USPS is completely useless anyway. Email is much more efficient to deliver messages. They are an archaic institution.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Email is much more efficient to deliver messages. They are an archaic institution.

5 years ago I'd agree with you. But now, every morning when I read the news and see that there's another company being hacked, and when I read of the millions of people being hacked or having their identity stolen on-line. I now have my doubts that snail mail is going away anytime soon. The Internet is just too unreliable and unsecured.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

5 years ago I'd agree with you. But now, every morning when I read the news and see that there's another company being hacked, and when I read of the millions of people being hacked or having their identity stolen on-line. I now have my doubts that snail mail is going away anytime soon. The Internet is just too unreliable and unsecured.

Yeah, you keep believing that. Every company in the world uses email to share information.

It is easier to steal mail than it is to hack a corporation's email account.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

Yeah, you keep believing that. Every company in the world uses email to share information.

It is easier to steal mail than it is to hack a corporation's email account.

The problem with your assessment is the shear volume of hacking causes many more problems then snail mail thief ever could. Anthem was hacked and millions of people's SSN, CC numbers were were stolen. Hell even 19 million non Anthem customers were hacked and lost their SSN's. Also there's seldom pertinent or relevant information in snail mail. You can steal my snail mail for months and not get my SSN or CC number. There's a a lot bigger upside in hacking a site then stealing people's snail mail.

Obviously the Internet and email is here to stay. But it's security has become a major concern. Years ago it was mostly kids and computer nerds hacking for fun. Now you have countries spending billions to hack other countries sites and Corp. sites. It's no longer just a game to see if someone can hack a site. Now it's a weapon.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The problem with your assessment is the shear volume of hacking causes many more problems then snail mail thief ever could. Anthem was hacked and millions of people's SSN, CC numbers were were stolen. Hell even 19 million non Anthem customers were hacked and lost their SSN's. Also there's seldom pertinent or relevant information in snail mail. You can steal my snail mail for months and not get my SSN or CC number. There's a a lot bigger upside in hacking a site then stealing people's snail mail.

Obviously the Internet and email is here to stay. But it's security has become a major concern. Years ago it was mostly kids and computer nerds hacking for fun. Now you have countries spending billions to hack other countries sites and Corp. sites. It's no longer just a game to see if someone can hack a site. Now it's a weapon.

The Anthem hack had nothing to do with email.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The Anthem hack had nothing to do with email.

I doubt anyone knows yet how the hack happened.. Sony's hack had everything to do with email. Email's are sometimes a way in.

Anyway the Internet has a big problem with security, and because of that, and the Constitution the USPS isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

I doubt anyone knows yet how the hack happened.. Sony's hack had everything to do with email. Email's are sometimes a way in.

Anyway the Internet has a big problem with security, and because of that, and the Constitution the USPS isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

No, the Sony hack had absolutely nothing to do with email.

Do you always post without bothering to know what you are claiming ???
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

No, the Sony hack had absolutely nothing to do with email.

Sony's email was hacked. That's a fact and common knowledge. You just throw out one-liners about the USPS and now Sony which are your your opinion, and those opinions are wrong, but you expect me to take your nonsense as fact.

I don't play that game.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

He's doing as Norquist calls starving the beast. He wants to kill all government programs in order to privatize everything. It will make his wealthy contributors wealthier while hurting everyone else in his state. He's a perfect tool for them.

As opposed to taxing everyone into poverty?

The fastest way to poverty for the middle class is to privatize everything.

How do you figure?

The privatized scheme was tried in Chile under the Chicago Boys and Pinochet. At the time the country was experiencing poverty around the same as our own. Once they enacted their goals half the country plunged into poverty. It was only after the country started to put back into place social safety nets they had dismantle, many were able to climb out of poverty and back to the ranks of the middle class.

Privatizing is less costly ergo less taxes ergo more money and jobs for the middle class to fill.

To a degree, MrVicchio is right. The more public-sector industries are privatized, the more jobs there could be to go around. The only problem is those newly created jobs will need to be long lasting, high paying and not depend on government funding neither at the state nor federal level to make up cashflow gaps. Otherwise, the moment their is a cashflow problem and that government cost ratio/federal match isn't met, something will have to give. And the thing that's usually cut first in any downturn in a business cycle is jobs.

Of course, the fall back is (or should be from the conservative mind-set) charitable organizations coming to the aid of those in need who can't otherwise afford to pay for those things public services once provided, but when you have so few wealthy people to give to said charities and the public-at-large can ill afford to put any of their disposable income toward charitable giving, that does create problems in the public domain.

From an economic standpoint, what Conservatives are doing along the lines of "privatize everything or as much as possible" is akin to charging (higher) fees for every taxpayer funded public service. Sounds nice in theory, but in practice it only holds up if their is an abundant need for such services for the marketplace said services once served AND the cost of such services are affordable. Bottom Line: You can't beat free. But if you want to compete with a need niche market, the price must be affordable, the cost of services self-sustaining and the salaries for those newly privatized jobs must be well above the minimum wage. Otherwise, any dream of adding to the consumer driven economy will eventually be exposed for the wet dream they are. Service-sector jobs can help pull the economy along, but they can't sustain them in the long-run. At some point you have to produce something.
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

The reasoning behind missing the payment is that tax cuts are a long term solution, not a short term solution. That means that there will have to be some sacrifice initially to see the results down the road. Tax cuts don't automagically create money, they take some time to help build the economy. This is why liberals just don't get the benefits of tax cuts - most liberals are short term oriented. If you don't see the results NOW, they didn't happen. I don't like the idea of missing that payment, as I'm sure Gov. Walker does as well, but I understand why it's necessary.

Tax cuts aren't a problem when they're fair and meant to be temporary. It's when they're made permanent and/OR the responsibility of government revenue generation isn't distributed on a more equitable basis, i.e., less taxation for the rich, more taxation for the working-class, very little if any for the poor, that's when it becomes a problem. Prolonged (or permanent) tax cuts further compound problems in the economy when your tax structure is based moreso on consumption and the number of consumers dwindle OR the cost of consumer goods and services increase where wages remain relatively flat. When such happens, you lose the positive impact consumer spending is meant to have on the economy. Less buyers, more sellers = reduced GDP (in this case at the state-level) which translates to less revenue to work with.

Even if the debt is spread out over time, you'll still have to make up that revenue shortfall somewhere. So, the irresponsibility here per the OP really is the fact that Gov. Walker's tax cutting budget strategy does "kick the can further down the road" by purposely running up a short-term debt with no way to pay it down in the near future despite coming into office lamenting "balanced budgets, debt/deficit reductions". Put another way: If Republicans are going to scream about the federal government running up debts and deficits, then why can't the people call out state executives for doing the same?
 
Re: Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108

it should be noted that federal law dictates, that Fedex and UPS cannot undercut USPS

Which doesn't seem relevant because they aren't anywhere near USPS prices!
 
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