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Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

Kobie said:
The logical and rhetorical pretzels into which some of our esteemed DP members will twist themselves in order to craft this narrative that Obama is soft on terrorism are astounding.
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Mentally shallow people will believe any source that feeds their anger.
 
Grant said:
When people are poorly educated they will respond in unpredictable ways. And when their instructions are based mostly on the teachings of seventh century lunatic than these unpredictable ways become ever more likely.
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But Grant, how does this explain away those from the left that are here in the US.....that think they are educated?
 
Frantz Fanon said:
No. They are barbarians blathering about the apocalypse and how God is telling them to behead people. They are Muslims only to those who need to perpetuate the Clash of Civilizations bs Samuel Huntington tried to sell in the wake of the Cold War.

In no verse of the Qu'ran does it condone any of the actions of ISIS
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10. Qur'an 3:32 - Hate (Allah only loves believers in Allah. That’s only Muslims!)

"Say: Obey Allah and His Messenger; But if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers."

9. Qur'an 48:29 - Terrorize (Muslims are to be severe to unbelievers!)

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves."

8. Qur'an 4:24 - Rape (Approved for your women captives, even if married as to avoid adultery!)

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you."

7. Qur'an 5:33 - Murder (Punished, crucified for objecting to Sharia!)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

6. Qur'an 9:5 - Idolators - (Convert, die or pay jizyah tax!)

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

5. Qur'an 9:29 - Dominate The World (Dhimmi / death / subdued!)

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

4. Qur'an 9:73 - Apostates & Hypocrites (Non-Muslims are to be hunted like animals!)

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

3. Qur'an 9:111 - Jihad = Holy War (Believers are those who slay and are slain!)

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

2. Qur'an 47:35 - Power & Victory (Peace is the cry of those being slaughtered!)

"Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

1. Qur'an 2:106 - Abrogation (The later verse erases the former!)

"Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better that it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?"



Nothing?
 
Tettsuo said:
Saying you don't agree with Christianity being used to basically block rights for others is not attacking Christianity, it's upholding the promise of America in the face of extremist.
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What "rights" is Christianity attempting to block for others today, and please give examples.

Trying to turn this into an argument of today's Christians are the extremists, is laughably irrational. You might as well tell me that we need to submit to the will of the Caliphate.
 
poweRob said:
Little quiz for you. I even made it easy by putting the answers in there.


1. “Ours is a war not against a religion, not against the Muslim faith. But ours is a war against individuals who absolutely hate what America stands for.”
Bush

2. “They’re terrorists. And we are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam.”
Obama

3. “Our war is not against Islam, or against faith practiced by the Muslim people. Our war is a war against evil.”
Bush

4. “Our enemy doesn’t follow the great traditions of Islam. They’ve hijacked a great religion.”
Bush

5. “Given the…nature of the enemy — which is not a traditional army — this work takes time, and will require vigilance and resilience.”
Obama

6. “The terrorists do not speak for over a billion Muslims who reject their hateful ideology.”
Obama

7. “The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.”
Bush

8. “How do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities — the profound good…the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?”
Obama

9. “There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know — that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion.”
Bush

10. “This great religion in the hands of a few extremists has been distorted to justify violence.”
Obama
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Now back to your regularly scheduled faux outrage.
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Yep. This is one of the rights most blatant partisan attacks.
 
Montecresto said:
Yep. This is one of the rights most blatant partisan attacks.
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short term memories keep Fox News full of viewers. And no one points this out as good as Jon Stewart does so I hope whomever replaces him does just as good a job at slamming hypocrisy as he does.
 
Kobie said:
The logical and rhetorical pretzels into which some of our esteemed DP members will twist themselves in order to craft this narrative that Obama is soft on terrorism are astounding.
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You wish Kobie. Obamas a chump. We know it. Terrorists know it. Russia knows it. Other Democrats know it.
 
US Conservative said:
I took honors and AP classes in HS, and we wouldn't have hung out. :2wave:
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God damn, you were so obnoxious in high school that I wouldn't of wanted to hang with you, even way back then?
 
poweRob said:
short term memories keep Fox News full of viewers. And no one points this out as good as Jon Stewart does so I hope whomever replaces him does just as good a job at slamming hypocrisy as he does.
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Well, as long as whom ever replaces him is all about satirical attack on repubs right?
 
j-mac said:
Well, as long as whom ever replaces him is all about satirical attack on repubs right?
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Jon's a lefty but I've seen him satirically slam the Dems and Obama a lot.
 
poweRob said:
Jon's a lefty but I've seen him satirically slam the Dems and Obama a lot.
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Nowhere on an equal setting...Not saying he has to, I like his show....But, to hold him up as some kind of equal opportunity, or honest broker in pointing out hypocrisy in DC is just not true at all.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
10. Qur'an 3:32 - Hate (Allah only loves believers in Allah. That’s only Muslims!)

"Say: Obey Allah and His Messenger; But if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers."

9. Qur'an 48:29 - Terrorize (Muslims are to be severe to unbelievers!)

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves."

8. Qur'an 4:24 - Rape (Approved for your women captives, even if married as to avoid adultery!)

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you."

7. Qur'an 5:33 - Murder (Punished, crucified for objecting to Sharia!)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

6. Qur'an 9:5 - Idolators - (Convert, die or pay jizyah tax!)

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

5. Qur'an 9:29 - Dominate The World (Dhimmi / death / subdued!)

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

4. Qur'an 9:73 - Apostates & Hypocrites (Non-Muslims are to be hunted like animals!)

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

3. Qur'an 9:111 - Jihad = Holy War (Believers are those who slay and are slain!)

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

2. Qur'an 47:35 - Power & Victory (Peace is the cry of those being slaughtered!)

"Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

1. Qur'an 2:106 - Abrogation (The later verse erases the former!)

"Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better that it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?"



Nothing?
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Neat. If you're going to plagiarize, post a link. Top Ten Quran Verses for Understanding ISIS - Eagle Rising Solid intellectual source.

This site has 6 different English translations: Surat Al-Fath [48:29] - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????. Pick any one and compare it against the bigoted biased drivel from David Whitley

10:29: Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and (the ones) who are with him are strict against the steadfast disbelievers, constantly merciful among themselves.

And Christians believe you go to hell if you don't accept jc as their savior.

Yeah, absolutely nothing.
 
j-mac said:
Nowhere on an equal setting...Not saying he has to, I like his show....But, to hold him up as some kind of equal opportunity, or honest broker in pointing out hypocrisy in DC is just not true at all.
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I didn't say he was. In fact I DID say he was a lefty.
 
j-mac said:
Nowhere on an equal setting...Not saying he has to, I like his show....But, to hold him up as some kind of equal opportunity, or honest broker in pointing out hypocrisy in DC is just not true at all.
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Yeah, he's a lefty, no equality there. But he's got the other guy, Sean Hannity, no equality, for balance.
 
Montecresto said:
Yeah, he's a lefty, no equality there. But he's got the other guy, Sean Hannity, no equality, for balance.
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Sean Hannity is not a satirist....He's a political pundit...Like Lawrence O'donnell
 
Satire seems to fall short on the right. They tried. It was a miserable failure.



It's soooo bad. Pushed out by Fox news to try for parity. There just is none.
 
poweRob said:
Satire seems to fall short on the right. They tried. It was a miserable failure.
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The right simply has a higher standard for satire, whereas to the left, everything is satire.
 
j-mac said:
Sean Hannity is not a satirist....He's a political pundit...Like Lawrence O'donnell
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Oh, make no mistake about the set and audience. Stewarts not just trying to be funny.
 
US Conservative said:
No he's not, until he's called out about his bias, omissions, and lies-and then he's somehow just a comedian.
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He can't lie either outright or by omission --- he's a satirist don't you see? It's all just jokes..... :roll:
 
US Conservative said:
WASHINGTON — They’re burning and beheading victims in the name of Islam, but President Obama delivered a major speech Wednesday on combating violent extremism — while refusing to use the words “Muslim terrorists.”

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“No religion is responsible for terrorism — people are responsible for violence and terrorism,” Obama told a crowd that included Muslim community leaders at the White House.

Obama refuses to acknowledge
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What exactly is the benefit of conflating the terrorists with Islam? Do you believe that they would suddenly give up? "The President of the United States has just called ISIS Islamic Terrorists; ISIS surrenders at the efficacy of the verbal barrage"

ISIS is trying to ignite a religious war. They WANT us to call them Islamists. Calling them Islamists gives them propaganda; they can say that we're in a war against Islam. That's the point of their barbarity. Terrorism isn't about traditional military goals. It's not about holding territory, it's about hearts and minds. Why would you want us to give them what they want?
 
US Conservative said:
No he's not, until he's called out about his bias, omissions, and lies-and then he's somehow just a comedian.
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No, I wouldn't say that, he's not just a comedian. But yes, like Obama and Bush, he's going to have his bias, and his omissions, and his lies.
 
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