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Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

MMC said:
It would mean the trouble is started by those in the ME.....that requires a response. Foreign Policy its called. Actions initiated and instigated by those there that go against us or our allies.

Shouldn't be to hard to figure out. No matter how it is worded. Especially for one who has knowledge about such. Like you have shown, huh?
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Ok. I think your blaming the Islamic State on member States of the Middle East?!?! There certainly are contributors there. Go bitch em out MMC, you have my support. And let me know how much attention you get. As an American citizen, living and working here, voting and paying taxes here, I'm concerned with what we do! And the 2006 NIE that concluded that the Iraq invasion and occupation has worsened Islamic extremism, and made the US less safe, should not have produced a policy response of more of the same, see?
 
Montecresto said:
Ok. I think your blaming the Islamic State on member States of the Middle East?!?! There certainly are contributors there. Go bitch em out MMC, you have my support. And let me know how much attention you get. As an American citizen, living and working here, voting and paying taxes here, I'm concerned with what we do! And the 2006 NIE that concluded that the Iraq invasion and occupation has worsened Islamic extremism, and made the US less safe, should not have produced a policy response of more of the same, see?
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Wrong again Monte.....Were not talking about ISIS. We are talking about ANY country in the ME that Initiates and or instigates actions against us or one of our allies. This requires Foreign Policy Monte.....and your idea of Submission and or run away and not respond. Just isn't acceptable.....by Most in the US. Let alone any political parties.

That's regardless if you are a US Citizen living in another country.....or one that has dual citizenship. I guess the only way that applies to you.....is if it is the Saud that did something that requires a response. Since you are living there.
 
MMC said:
Wrong again Monte.....Were not talking about ISIS. We are talking about ANY country in the ME that Initiates and or instigates actions against us or one of our allies. This requires Foreign Policy Monte.....and your idea of Submission and or run away and not respond. Just isn't acceptable.....by Most in the US. Let alone any political parties.

That's regardless if you are a US Citizen living in another country.....or one that has dual citizenship. I guess the only way that applies to you.....is if it is the Saud that did something that requires a response. Since you are living there.
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So what country in the Middle East has initiated or instigated actions against us, hmm?
 
Montecresto said:
So what country in the Middle East has initiated or instigated actions against us, hmm?
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There have been several and at different times in different decades. But the point is......when others initiate or instigate action. It requires a response. Which running away isn't any answer. Moreover.....running away doesn't work when allies are involved.
 
MMC said:
There have been several and at different times in different decades. But the point is......when others initiate or instigate action. It requires a response. Which running away isn't any answer. Moreover.....running away doesn't work when allies are involved.
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Our 2006 NIE doesn't advocate running away from anything. It simply points out that what were doing in the ME is making matters worse. And you want to do more of the same, lol.
 
Grant said:
How about Iran?
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What are you speaking of. And was it before or after the CIA overthrew their government, or perhaps the civilian airliner our Navy shot down. What about our cyber attacks on Iran.
 
Montecresto said:
Our 2006 NIE doesn't advocate running away from anything. It simply points out that what were doing in the ME is making matters worse. And you want to do more of the same, lol.
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No I just understand those absolutes that you play with.....have no real place in FP. Other Nations out there aren't always doing things to help matters for all around them. Some intentionally do things to affect other nations and their allies. Things that aren't good for those nations or their allies.

Its a reality that you can't get around. Nor any other.

But then one day you will fully understand the word and the meaning which is Sovereignty.
 
MMC said:
No I just understand those absolutes that you play with.....have no real place in FP. Other Nations out there aren't always doing things to help matters for all around them. Some intentionally do things to affect other nations and their allies. Things that aren't good for those nations or their allies.

Its a reality that you can't get around. Nor any other.

But then one day you will fully understand the word and the meaning which is Sovereignty.
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You're arguing with a Bush era NIE, not me!
 
Montecresto said:
You're arguing with a Bush era NIE, not me!
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Like I stated before I wasn't just talking about Bush. It was Foreign Policy and whats its there for.....and it starts well before your favorite on the Blame game. Buuuuuuuuuuuush!
 
MMC said:
Like I stated before I wasn't just talking about Bush. It was Foreign Policy and whats its there for.....and it starts well before your favorite on the Blame game. Buuuuuuuuuuuush!
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Of course it starts before Bush. How many times have I pointed out that our ME policies since at least Carter have been destructive, hmm? And talk about blame game. Look at you with Obama.
 
Montecresto said:
What are you speaking of. And was it before or after the CIA overthrew their government, or perhaps the civilian airliner our Navy shot down. What about our cyber attacks on Iran.
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We are absolutely not innocent of any of those things, we are just as guilty of all kinds of atrocities around the world, which unfortunately, lots of Americans are willing to ignore or gloss over or make excuses for.
 
Cephus said:
We are absolutely not innocent of any of those things, we are just as guilty of all kinds of atrocities around the world, which unfortunately, lots of Americans are willing to ignore or gloss over or make excuses for.
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Yes, Americans should step aside and let the Chinese, the Muslims or the Russians be the 'Policemen of The World'. What could possibly go wrong with that idea?
 
Montecresto said:
Of course it starts before Bush. How many times have I pointed out that our ME policies since at least Carter have been destructive, hmm? And talk about blame game. Look at you with Obama.
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Which each time I still tell you.....regardless we still are involved and we still cannot disengage. Mostly due to alliances we have.

Oh, and that's with the understanding that violence will always be part of mans nature too.

Then there is the issue of our Sovereignty.....and the issue of us and them.
 
To me, it is more about him trying to not give them power so that they cannot be the first thing we think of when we think of muslims in general. As an American ask yourself this--would you rather delegitimize what your enemy claims they stand for or respect them? If you respect their own labels I guess you just want the terrorist to win. MURICA
 
JohnWOlin said:
To me, it is more about him trying to not give them power so that they cannot be the first thing we think of when we think of muslims in general. As an American ask yourself this--would you rather delegitimize what your enemy claims they stand for or respect them? If you respect their own labels I guess you just want the terrorist to win. MURICA
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So the terrorists will win if Obama calls them Islamic Extremists, or Radical Muslims?

Who knew it could be so easy?
 
Grant said:
So the terrorists will win if Obama calls them Islamic Extremists, or Radical Muslims?

Who knew it could be so easy?
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If a guy ****s on my porch and is muslim or jewish either way he's an asshole right? What difference does it make if I tell you he's muslim or jewish?
 
JohnWOlin said:
If a guy ****s on my porch and is muslim or jewish either way he's an asshole right? What difference does it make if I tell you he's muslim or jewish?
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It would be a factor if he did it because he was A Hindu or an Atheist and you would then be free to respond using the name he chose for himself, and the reasons behind his motives. Why would you do otherwise?
 
MMC said:
Which each time I still tell you.....regardless we still are involved and we still cannot disengage. Mostly due to alliances we have.

Oh, and that's with the understanding that violence will always be part of mans nature too.

Then there is the issue of our Sovereignty.....and the issue of us and them.
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Strawman. Nobody, not even Ron Paul ever wanted to disengage. In fact, engagement is crucial, but again, according to Bush's NIE, not militarily.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
is Isis islamic? are it's leaders muslim?
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No. They are barbarians blathering about the apocalypse and how God is telling them to behead people. They are Muslims only to those who need to perpetuate the Clash of Civilizations bs Samuel Huntington tried to sell in the wake of the Cold War.

In no verse of the Qu'ran does it condone any of the actions of ISIS
 
Cephus said:
Fred Phelps is a corpse. He was, absolutely, a Christian when he was alive though. Don't go pulling the "no true Christian" fallacy.
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He was channeling JC when he picketed Matthew Snyder's funeral.
 
US Conservative said:
I have heard about the atheist that killed those muslims-tragic. However this was a "summit" on terrorism, and he couldn't even put the words together, according to the article the world Islam wasn't even said once.

Thats a problem, we can't win the war on terror if POTUS wont admit where the problem lies.
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He's beating around the bush in that regard.

It's pissing me off.

Acknowledge the source, we already understand that it doesn't apply to every single muslim out there.
 
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