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Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

MMC said:
He just tried to lecture the world.....and now is looking like a major fool. Note how the fool still sticks to the term ISIL. Why everybody else in the World calls them what they are.

Blaming poverty while he points out how Billions in poverty don't ever cross the line into violence.

So basically what we have here.....is BO peep trying to appear like he doing something to combat the problem. While BO Peep talks confusingly to the rest of the world.....and showing the American People he will not be truthful and cannot be trusted.
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Now this is a pretty accurate assessment of what Obama's doing here. Obama, being driven by is excessive PC (un)sensibilities, denies the fact that the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists of ISIS / ISIL are in fact justifying their actions as being dictated by their interpretation of the Islamic religion.

Factually, there are passages in the Koran that incite those with a fundamentalist interpretation of the writings to go and kill all non-Muslims, or so I am told (I've not read it and don't plan to). Further, it's been correctly observed that Muslims that don't observe these citations to murderous action, aren't 100% compliant to their own religious beliefs and their own religious doctrine. I'd be interested in how those that don't explain this away, the mental rationalization gymnastics would humorous to see.

I see this as a fine example of how excessive PC (un)sensibilities can easily, and more often than not, put you into a logical corner of inconsistencies, seriously degrading any credibility in the eyes of any critically thinking person.

Given this summary, I think it pretty clear that Islam most certainly is not a religion of peace in its writing and foundational documents and doctrine, however, I don't think the world would any problem with any Muslims that don't observe the Koran's citations to murderous action; and see this as the only avenue to peaceful co-existence with the rest of the world. So, I guess all the Imams that are denouncing their militant fundamentalist brethren, are, at the same time, denouncing those citations to murderous action in their own religion. No wonder it's taken them this long to do so, and as tepid their denunciations. The cognitive conflict within them on this point surely must be massive.
 
rcart76 said:
Threads like this is proof that the average American IQ is declining. I would bet my house that 90 percent of the anti-Islam crowd has never read or research the Muslim faith.
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In light of all the media coverage, what would you like the anti-Islam crowd to know? Most Americans get their information from the TV and not necessarily a TV based news source.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064332943 said:
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You and the Obama administration know those people better than they know themselves. They're not Muslim? They aren't terrorizing and murdering innocent people because they are infidels. They aren't fighting for their religion to take over the world. Their actions have nothing to do with their religious beliefs?

What PC insight.

I will give Obama one thing, he's smarter than his ardent followers. He got you guys to believe it.
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No idea what you're talking about and it sounds as though you don't either. What ISIL is doing is not representative of Islam or being a devout Muslim. Obama is a self professed Christian, but he authorized drone strikes against civilian populations. He carried on Bush's work at Abu Ghraib.

What books force you to kill people?
 
Blue_State said:
In light of all the media coverage, what would you like the anti-Islam crowd to know? Most Americans get their information from the TV and not necessarily a TV based news source.
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It's not what I would like them to know. It's what they should know before condemning a whole religion as evil.


The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

Wayne Dyer
 
rcart76 said:
It's not what I would like them to know. It's what they should know before condemning a whole religion as evil.


The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.

Wayne Dyer
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Your point was that average anti-Islam person has not read or researched the religion. I then asked what would you like them to know. You then say it isn't what you want them to know, but it what they should know before condemning the whole religion.

I would say you want them to know that not all of Islam is evil. Is that correct?
 
rcart76 said:
Threads like this is proof that the average American IQ is declining. I would bet my house that 90 percent of the anti-Islam crowd has never read or research the Muslim faith.
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You'd retain your house.
 
Cephus said:
They do drag them around behind trucks though, and murder them from time to time.
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Link to christian group behind this.


That it happens at all is unacceptable. It just shows that extremist Christians are not unwilling to act.
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left wingers loot stores, throw rocks, and plant bombs, how is this different if the left wing is "unwilling to act"?



Because the KKK isn't a Christian organization or anything. :roll:
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Who? they still around? list thier terrorist attacks.


List all the christian attacks since 1980.


here are some of the islamic attacks.

1980–1989[edit]

A view of the damage to the U.S. Embassy after April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing.
LebanonUnited States April 18, 1983 – The April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing, Beirut, Lebanon by the Islamic Jihad Organization. 63 dead, 120 injured.[1]
Kuwait December 12, 1983 – 1983 Kuwait bombings. The 90-minute coordinated attack of six key foreign and Kuwaiti installations including two embassies, the airport, and the country's main petro-chemical plant, was more notable for the damage it might have caused than what was actually destroyed. What might have been "the worst terrorist episode of the twentieth century in the Middle East," succeeding in killing only 6 people because of the bombs' faulty rigging.[2]
Israel July 7, 1989 – Tel Aviv Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack, near Kiryat Yearim. 16 dead.[3]
1990–1999[edit]

Osama bin Laden (1957–2011) was the founder of Al-Qaeda, the jihadist organization responsible for many high profile attacks, including the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings.

The 1998 United States embassy bombing in Nairobi where 214 people were killed including 12 Americans, 4000 others were wounded.
United States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed.[4]
India March 12, 1993 – Serial blasts in Mumbai kill 257 people.
Turkey July 2, 1993 - Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis.
Algeria December 24, 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.[5]
Saudi ArabiaUnited States June 25, 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.[6]
Egypt November 17, 1997 – Luxor massacre, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attacked tourists at the Luxor ruins. 62 killed, 26 injured.[7]
India February 14, 1998 – A total of 58 people were killed and over 200 injured in 12 bomb attacks in 11 places, in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu.
Tanzania Kenya United States August 7, 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead, 4000+ injured.[8]
2000–2009[edit]

The north face of Two World Trade Center (south tower) immediately after being struck by United Airlines Flight 175

Hasib Hussain, who detonated the bus bomb in Tavistock Square in the 7 July 2005 London bombings, is captured on CCTV leaving
YemenUnited States October 12, 2000 – Attack on the USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, 39 injured.[9]
 
Attacks continued.

India December 22, 2000 – Attack on Red Fort in Delhi.
Indonesia December 24, 2000 – Christmas Eve 2000 Indonesia bombings of churches in eight cities, 18 killed.[10]
United States September 11, 2001 – 4 planes hijacked by 19 al-Qaeda hijackers: two planes crashed into World Trade Center and one into the The Pentagon. Nearly 3000 dead.[11]
India October 1, 2001 – Attack on the Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly.
India December 13, 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba, aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.[12]
India March 30, 2002 – Attack on the Raghunath temple
Indonesia October 12, 2002 – 2002 Bali bombings in the tourist district of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali, killing 202 people and injuring 240.[13]
India November 24, 2001 – Attack on the Raghunath temple
India January 22, 2002 – Attack on an American cultural centre in Kolkata
India May 14, 2002 – three terrorists attacked a tourist bus near the town of Kaluchak in the Indian state Jammu and Kashmir .
India July 13, 2002 – Militants kill 29 Hindu labourers in Qasim Nagar on the outskirts of Jammu in Jammu and Kashmir.
India September 24, 2002 – Akshardham Temple attack
India August 25, 2003 – Twin car bombings killed 54, and injured 244 people in Mumbai.
Indonesia August 5, 2003 – 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Mega Kuningan, South Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bomber detonated a car bomb outside the JW Marriott Jakarta lobby, killing 12 and injuring 150
Turkey November 15–20, 2003 – 2003 Istanbul bombings, killed 57 people and wounded 700.
Spain March 11, 2004 – Madrid train bombings, killed 191 people and wounded 1,800.[14][15]
Russia September 1, 2004 – Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.[16][17]
Indonesia Australia September 9, 2004 – 2004 Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bomber exploded a one-tonne car bomb, which was packed into a small Daihatsu delivery van, outside the Australian embassy at Kuningan District, South Jakarta killing 9 and injuring over 150
Netherlands November 2, 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.[18]
 
and continued.


India July 5, 2005 – Attack on the Hindu Ram temple in Ayodhya, India. 6 dead.
United Kingdom July 7, 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
Egypt July 23, 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
Indonesia October 1, 2005 – 2005 Bali bombings in Jimbaran & Kuta, Bali, Indonesia; a series of bombings kills at least 20 and injures over 100.
India October 29, 2005 – 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus.[19]
Jordan November 9, 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured.[20][21] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[22]
India March 7, 2006 – A series of bombings occurred across the Hindu holy city of Varanasi killing at least 28 people and injuring 101 others.
India April 30, 2006 – 2006 Doda massacre: Thirty-five Hindus killed by terrorists in Doda district in Jammu and Kashmir.
India July 11, 2006 – 2006 Mumbai train bombings: Seven bomb blasts over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.[23]
India May 13, 2007 – Jaipur bombings
United Kingdom June 30, 2007 - 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack, 5 injured.
Iraq August 14, 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings. Dour suicide vehicle bombings in two predominantly Yazidi towns in northern Iraq. 796 killed, 1,562 wounded.[24]
India July 26, 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings. 56 dead, over 200 injured.[25][26]
India September 13, 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.
India September 27, 2008 – 27 September 2008 Delhi blast: An explosion in Mehrauli's Electronic market called Sarai, killed 3 and injured 23 others.
India November 26, 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 166 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's financial capital, Mumbai. The government of India blamed Pakistan based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba and stated that the terrorists killed/caught were citizens of Pakistan, a claim which the Pakistani government first refused but then accepted when given proof. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.[27][28]
United States June 1, 2009 - 2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting by Abdulhakim Muhajid Muhammad. 1 killed and 1 injured
Somalia June 18, 2009 – 2009 Beledweyne bombing by Al-Shabaab. 35 dead.
Indonesia July 17, 2009 – 2009 Marriott and Ritz-Carlton Hotels bombing in Mega Kuningan, South Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bombers hit the Marriott and 5 minutes later the Ritz-Carlton. 9 killed and 53 injured
United States November 5, 2009 – Fort Hood shooting, at Fort Hood near Killeen, Texas. 13 dead, 33 injured.
2010–current[edit]
Russia March 29, 2010 - Moscow Metro bombings. 40 dead, 102 injured. Caucasus Emirate claimed responsibility[29]
Pakistan May 28, 2010 – Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.[30]
India December 7, 2010 – 2010 Varanasi bombing, India. 2 dead, 37 injured.
Sweden December 10, 2010 – 2010 Stockholm bombing, Sweden. killing the bomber and injuring two people.
 
And continued.


Russia January 21, 2011 - Domodedovo International Airport bombing. 37 killed, 173 wounded[31]
Germany March 2, 2011 – 2011 Frankfurt Airport shooting, Frankfurt, Germany. 2 dead, 2 injured.
China July 18, 2011 – 2011 Hotan attack, Hotan, China. A group of 18 young Uyghur men who opposed the local government's campaign against the full-face Islamic veil perpetrated a series of coordinated bomb and knife attacks and occupied a police station on Nuerbage Street, killing two security guards and taking eight hostages. The attackers yelled religious slogans, including ones associated with Jihadism, 4 killed, 4 wounded.
China July 30, 2011 - A series of knife and bomb attacks occurred in Kashgar, China. Uyghur men hijacked a truck, killed its driver and drove into a crowd of pedestrians. They then got out of the vehicle and attacked pedestrians with knifes. On July 31, a chain of two explosions started a fire in a restaurant, 15 killed, 42 wounded.
Nigeria December 25, 2011 - Christmas Day bombings were bomb blasts and shootings at churches in Madalla, Jos, Gadaka, and Damaturu. Over 41 people are reported dead.[32]
Iraq 5 January 2012 Iraq bombings, Baghdad and Nasiriyah, Iraq by Islamic State of Iraq. 73 dead, 149 injured.
Thailand February 14, 2012 - A series of explosions occurred in Bangkok, Thailand, 5 wounded.
Iraq 23 February 2012 Iraq attacks, Baghdad, Iraq by Islamic State of Iraq. 83 dead, 250+ injured.
Iraq 20 March 2012 Iraq attacks, Baghdad and at least 9 other cities, Iraq. 52 dead, ~ 250 injured.
France March 20, 2012 – Toulouse and Montauban shootings in France. 7 dead, 5 injured.
Russia May 3, 2012 - Makhachkala attack. 14 dead, including 2 suicide bombers, 130 wounded[33]
Bulgaria July 18, 2012 - 2012 Burgas bus bombing - 7 dead, including the suicide bomber and 32 injured at Burgas Airport, Burgas, Bulgaria.
LibyaUnited States September 11, 2012 – 2012 Benghazi attack on the U.S. Consulate. 4 dead, 11 injured.
India February 21, 2013. – 2013 Hyderabad blasts, two bomb blasts killed 16 people and injured 119.
United States April 15, 2013. – Boston Marathon bombings. Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. The blast killed 3 and injured 183 others.[34]
Turkey May 11, 2013 – Reyhanlı bombings, killed 52 people and wounded 140.
United Kingdom May 22, 2013 – Two men with cleavers kill British soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich.[35][36]
France May 23, 2013 – 2013 La Défense attack. An Islamic extremist wielding a knife attacked and wounded a French soldier in the Paris suburb of La Défense. 1 wounded.
India July 7, 2013 - A series of ten bombs explode in and around the Mahabodhi Temple complex, in Bodh Gaya, India. 5 wounded.
Kenya September 21, 2013 – Westgate shopping mall attack, 67 killed, 175 wounded.[37][38][39]
Pakistan September 22, 2013 – Peshawar church attack, 80-83 killed, 250 wounded.
Nigeria September 29, 2013. - Gujba college massacre. 44 students killed by Boko Haram
China October 28, 2013 - A 4x4 vehicle crashed into a crowd and burst into flames in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, 5 killed, 38 wounded.
Czech Republic January 1, 2014. - Killed Palestinian ambassador “held explosive in his hands”. 1 dead terrorist.[40][41]
Nigeria February 14, 2014. - Borno Massacre at least 200 killed by Boko Haram[42]
China March 1, 2014 - A group of 8 individuals attacked civilians at Kunming Railway Station, 28 dead, 143 wounded.
China April 30, 2014 - Two assailants attacked passengers and detonated explosives at the Ürümqi railway station, 3 dead, 79 wounded.
 
and finally.



Nigeria May 20, 2014. - Jos bombings at least 118 killed and over 56 injured[43]
China May 22, 2014 - Two SUVs which carried 5 assailants were driven into a street market in Ürümqi and up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers through the windows of the SUVs. The cars then crashed into shoppers and collided into each other and exploded, 39 dead, 90+ wounded.
Belgium May 24, 2014. - Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting. Gunman opened fire at the Jewish Museum in Brussels killing 4 people.
Syria August, 2014. - Islamic State fighters massacred some 700 people, mostly men, of the Shu'aytat tribe in Deir ez-Zor Governorate.[44]
Australia September 23, 2014. – 2014 Endeavour Hills stabbings. Numan Haider, an Afghan Australian stabbed two counter terrorism officers in Melbourne, Australia. He was then shot dead.[45]
Russia October 5, 2014 - 2014 Grozny bombing. 5 officers and the suicide bomber, were killed, while 12 others were wounded.[46]
Canada October 20, 2014 - 2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack. Lone attacker used his car to run over two Canadian soldiers. 1 killed, 1 injured
Canada October 22, 2014 – 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa. Lone attacker shot a soldier at a war memorial and attacked Parliament. 1 killed, 3 injured[47]
United States October 23, 2014. – Zale H. Thomson, also known as Zaim Farouq Abdul-Malik, attacked four New York policemen in the subway with a hatchet, severely injuring one in the back of the head and injuring another policeman in the arm before being shot to death by the remaining officers, who also shot a bystander.[48]
Nigeria November 28, 2014. - Kano bombing. Around 120 people were killed and another 260 injured.[49][50][51][52]
Russia December 4, 2014. - 2014 Grozny clashes. 26 total dead, including 14 policemen, 11 Jihadist from Caucasus Emirate, 1 civilian[53]
Australia December 15, 2014. – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis. 2 dead, 4 injured.[54][55][56][57][58][59][60][61][62]
Pakistan December 16, 2014. – 2014 Peshawar school attack. Over 140 people dead, including at least 132 children.[63]
Yemen December 16, 2014. - Two suicide car bombers rammed their vehicles into a Shiite rebels' checkpoint killing 26, including 16 students.[64]
Nigeria December 18, 2014. - 2014 Gumsuri kidnappings. Boko Haram insurgents killed 32 people and kidnapped at least 185 women and children.[65]
Syria December 18, 2014. - Mass grave of 230 Tribesmen killed by Islamic State found in Eastern Syria.[66]
France December 20, 2014 - 2014 Joué-lès-Tours stabbings. A man yelling Allahu Akbar attacked a police office with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured
France December 21, 2014 - 2014 Dijon attack. A man yelling Allahu Akbar ran over 11 pedestrians with his vehicle. 11 injured
Nigeria December 22, 2014. – Boko Haram insurgents bombed a bus station in the city of Gombe, killing at least twenty people.[67]
Iraq December, 2014. - Islamic State militants execute 150 women Iraqi province of Al-Anbar, some of whom were pregnant at the time, who refuse to marry their fighters.[68]
Iraq December 24, 2014. - A suicide bomber killed 33 people and wounded 55 others in Madaen, about 25 km (15 miles) south of Baghdad.[69]
Somalia December 25, 2014. - Al-Shabaab (militant group) attack in Mogadishu leaves 9 dead.[70]
Cameroon December 28, 2014. - Boko Haram attacks village in Cameroon leaving 30 dead.[71]
France January 7-9, 2015. - A series of 5 attacks in and around Paris kill 17 people, plus 3 attackers, and leave 22 other people injured.
Nigeria January 8, 2015. – 2015 Baga massacre. Boko Haram attacks town of Baga in northern Nigeria killing at least 200 people. Another 2000 are unaccounted for.[72]
Pakistan January 30, 2015. - Suicide bomber kills at least 55, injuring at least 59 in a Shiite mosque in southern Pakistan. [73]
Pakistan February 13, 2015. - Heavily armed militants killed at least 19 people and wounded more than 40 after they stormed into a Shiite mosque during Friday Prayer in a suburb of Peshawar. [74]
Denmark February 14, 2015. - 2015 Copenhagen attacks. A gunman opened fire at the Krudttoenden café and later at the Great Synagogue in Copenhagen, killing 2 civilians and injuring 5 others. [75]






Your turn.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Your turn.
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The War Over U.S. War Crimes in Afghanistan Is Heating Up | Foreign Policy

List of US War Crimes

The indiscriminate use of bombs by the US, usually outside a declared war
situation, for wanton destruction, for no military objectives, whose
targets and victims are civilian populations, or what we now call
"collateral damage."

Japan (1945)
China (1945-46)
Korea & China (1950-53)
Guatemala (1954, 1960, 1967-69)
Indonesia (1958)
Cuba (1959-61)
Congo (1964)
Peru (1965)
Laos (1964-70)
Vietnam (1961-1973)
Cambodia (1969-70)
Grenada (1983)
Lebanon (1983-84)
Libya (1986)
El Salvador (1980s)
Nicaragua (1980s)
Iran (1987)
Panama (1989)
Iraq (1991-2000)
Kuwait (1991)
Somalia (1993)
Bosnia (1994-95)
Sudan (1998)
Afghanistan (1998)
Pakistan (1998)
Yugoslavia (1999)
Bulgaria (1999)
Macedonia (1999)
 
Frantz Fanon said:
The War Over U.S. War Crimes in Afghanistan Is Heating Up | Foreign Policy

List of US War Crimes

The indiscriminate use of bombs by the US, usually outside a declared war
situation, for wanton destruction, for no military objectives, whose
targets and victims are civilian populations, or what we now call
"collateral damage."

Japan (1945)
China (1945-46)
Korea & China (1950-53)
Guatemala (1954, 1960, 1967-69)
Indonesia (1958)
Cuba (1959-61)
Congo (1964)
Peru (1965)
Laos (1964-70)
Vietnam (1961-1973)
Cambodia (1969-70)
Grenada (1983)
Lebanon (1983-84)
Libya (1986)
El Salvador (1980s)
Nicaragua (1980s)
Iran (1987)
Panama (1989)
Iraq (1991-2000)
Kuwait (1991)
Somalia (1993)
Bosnia (1994-95)
Sudan (1998)
Afghanistan (1998)
Pakistan (1998)
Yugoslavia (1999)
Bulgaria (1999)
Macedonia (1999)
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we were talking about christian vs muslim attacks, your liberal "I hate america" clap trap is rather irrelevant.
 
Whatever that meant.

Which of the aforementioned US war crimes was not under a self-professed Christian President? Work on your rhetoric and dig a little into US foreign policy over the past 200 years.
 
Frantz Fanon said:
Whatever that meant.

Which of the aforementioned US war crimes was not under a self-professed Christian President? Work on your rhetoric and dig a little into US foreign policy over the past 200 years.
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You listed everything the US was ever involved in as a war crime. I can't, nor have interest in discussing such extremist partisanism and anti-american propagandaness.


Not one of these was done "in the name of god".


Every one of those I listed, were/
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You listed everything the US was ever involved in as a war crime. I can't, nor have interest in discussing such extremist partisanism and anti-american propagandaness.


Not one of these was done "in the name of god".


Every one of those I listed, were/
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Lol, you thought that list was exhaustive!! And that didn't cover the covert hostilities conducted by our CIA.
 
eohrnberger said:
Now this is a pretty accurate assessment of what Obama's doing here. Obama, being driven by is excessive PC (un)sensibilities, denies the fact that the Militant Islamic Fundamentalists of ISIS / ISIL are in fact justifying their actions as being dictated by their interpretation of the Islamic religion.

Factually, there are passages in the Koran that incite those with a fundamentalist interpretation of the writings to go and kill all non-Muslims, or so I am told (I've not read it and don't plan to). Further, it's been correctly observed that Muslims that don't observe these citations to murderous action, aren't 100% compliant to their own religious beliefs and their own religious doctrine. I'd be interested in how those that don't explain this away, the mental rationalization gymnastics would humorous to see.

I see this as a fine example of how excessive PC (un)sensibilities can easily, and more often than not, put you into a logical corner of inconsistencies, seriously degrading any credibility in the eyes of any critically thinking person.

Given this summary, I think it pretty clear that Islam most certainly is not a religion of peace in its writing and foundational documents and doctrine, however, I don't think the world would any problem with any Muslims that don't observe the Koran's citations to murderous action; and see this as the only avenue to peaceful co-existence with the rest of the world. So, I guess all the Imams that are denouncing their militant fundamentalist brethren, are, at the same time, denouncing those citations to murderous action in their own religion. No wonder it's taken them this long to do so, and as tepid their denunciations. The cognitive conflict within them on this point surely must be massive.
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Mornin EB.:2wave: Christianity was forced to clean up their own Heretics. It should be no different for those that allegedly lead this one.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You listed everything the US was ever involved in as a war crime. I can't, nor have interest in discussing such extremist partisanism and anti-american propagandaness.


Not one of these was done "in the name of god".


Every one of those I listed, were/
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I think you should spend some time on the link and far more time on the historical record. Perhaps the whole "One Nation Under God" thing was missed after all these years.

'propagandaness':lamo
 
Frantz Fanon said:
I think you should spend some time on the link and far more time on the historical record. Perhaps the whole "One Nation Under God" thing was missed after all these years.

'propagandaness':lamo
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Right, perhaps you can talk about the topic, not your prejudices.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It's a stupid red herring. Why are we incapable of talking about the coming storm?
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I would prefer an emphasis on prevention, don't you know. When something's not working, stop repeating it over and over and over! You know what "they" say about that.
 
Blue_State said:
Your point was that average anti-Islam person has not read or researched the religion. I then asked what would you like them to know. You then say it isn't what you want them to know, but it what they should know before condemning the whole religion.

I would say you want them to know that not all of Islam is evil. Is that correct?
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Sorry for being vague but yes you are correct. My point is that this should be a common practice for anyone. That is why there is so much hatred in our country now. The media is telling us how to think instead of actually researching. They (the media) have made billions off of this.

Let me add that I am not Muslim by faith. I am Christian. Even though I do not agree them on a spiritual level. I know that they as a whole are not evil.
 
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