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Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

Fearandloathing said:
Thank you!

There is both. I heard there was this thingy claiming to be Christian and who worship him, called "Westboro"...

And you know what, there is also radical Sikhism, the bastards killed around 350 people in the Air India bombing in the early 80's, the first act of international terror in north America.

And there is radical Hinduism as well.

There is not, though, radical Islamism...according to Obama.
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Westboro protested. There was nothing radical about them. They never killed anyone in the name of God, because the Bible does not teach that.
 
chad1389 said:
Westboro protested. There was nothing radical about them. They never killed anyone in the name of God, because the Bible does not teach that.
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You apparently haven't read your Bible. The issue with WBC is that they exist in a secular culture which doesn't allow them to run rampant and murder people. They could. I'm sure they want to. They just aren't permitted because they'd end up in prison forever. In the Middle East, that isn't how things work. People are permitted to act on their religious fantasies. Where WBC in a secular culture can say they want fags to die, in a religious culture, they'd be free to make them die. That's why there aren't many extremists killing people in the western world, although there are a few. For many others, that kind of religious extremism festers just beneath the surface.
 
Tettsuo said:
Is Christianity at war with equality because they don't believe in same sex marriage?

Is Christianity at war with a woman's right to choose because they don't believe in abortion?

Was Christianity at war with American blacks and other Americans of color as it was Christianity was used to legitimize slavery and segregation?


I'd say no. I'd say it just a bunch of asshats that are twisting religion to get motive people to empower them. The same applies to ISIS.
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oh joy the "Christians did it to" argument.

some christians don't support same sex marriage, none have set gays on fire.

Some christians are pro-abortion, some are pro-life, attacks on abortion clinics are rare.

Oh and the christians are racist one Is not worthy of a retort.


ISIS is 200,000 fighters strong and has untold sympathizers. Are you rEALLY suggesting similiarities?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
some christians don't support same sex marriage, none have set gays on fire.
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They do drag them around behind trucks though, and murder them from time to time.

Some christians are pro-abortion, some are pro-life, attacks on abortion clinics are rare.
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That it happens at all is unacceptable. It just shows that extremist Christians are not unwilling to act.

Oh and the christians are racist one Is not worthy of a retort.
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Because the KKK isn't a Christian organization or anything. :roll:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
oh joy the "Christians did it to" argument.

some christians don't support same sex marriage, none have set gays on fire.

Some christians are pro-abortion, some are pro-life, attacks on abortion clinics are rare.

Oh and the christians are racist one Is not worthy of a retort.


ISIS is 200,000 fighters strong and has untold sympathizers. Are you rEALLY suggesting similiarities?
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Ah Rev?

We are not dealing with reason here.

Earlier what ISIS is doing, setting people on fire, massacring babies, chopping off heads and all that was compared to snake handling.

I think also you meant to say 'some Christians are not opposed to same sex marriage". I am one of them
 
Cephus said:
They do drag them around behind trucks though, and murder them from time to time.



That it happens at all is unacceptable. It just shows that extremist Christians are not unwilling to act.



Because the KKK isn't a Christian organization or anything. :roll:
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"They" as in many instances?

If so, post the information that we may see it. If this is a regular practice, as you are comparing it to on going daily practices, there will be many, many, examples easy to find.

So, let's get them out here to see what is bull**** and what is chicken**** as we know going in there's manure in there
 
Fearandloathing said:
"They" as in many instances?

If so, post the information that we may see it. If this is a regular practice, as you are comparing it to on going daily practices, there will be many, many, examples easy to find.

So, let's get them out here to see what is bull**** and what is chicken**** as we know going in there's manure in there
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It doesn't matter how many instances, you find cases where Christians have murdered, maimed and harmed in the name of their God. It happens all the time. The only reason it doesn't happen more is because we have a secular society that doesn't permit such things. Oh, and Muslims living in secular societies don't commit a lot of atrocities either. But if you go to somewhere like Africa, where such secular societies don't exist, you find tons of Christians murdering others in the name of their religion, just like the Muslims. Extremist Christians are just as much dicks as extremist Muslims. And extremist Hindus. And extremist Buddhists. They're all dicks.
 
Cephus said:
It doesn't matter how many instances, you find cases where Christians have murdered, maimed and harmed in the name of their God. It happens all the time. The only reason it doesn't happen more is because we have a secular society that doesn't permit such things. Oh, and Muslims living in secular societies don't commit a lot of atrocities either. But if you go to somewhere like Africa, where such secular societies don't exist, you find tons of Christians murdering others in the name of their religion, just like the Muslims. Extremist Christians are just as much dicks as extremist Muslims. And extremist Hindus. And extremist Buddhists. They're all dicks.
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Cite that.

Today Christians murdered someone in the name of their religion where?

You are making a very wide sweeping, general accusation about nearly 200 billion people, you are implying that we all murder "all the time"

You have not presented any evidence it has happened EVER.

And it does matter how many instances, as you have compared all Christians to terrorists who are slaughtering men, women, children and infants with abandon.

You need to pony up on the bull**** instead of making reckless and wild accusations. "all the time" my pimpled ass!
 
Fearandloathing said:
"They" as in many instances?

If so, post the information that we may see it. If this is a regular practice, as you are comparing it to on going daily practices, there will be many, many, examples easy to find.

So, let's get them out here to see what is bull**** and what is chicken**** as we know going in there's manure in there
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No one is questioning the difference in magnitude (not this century anyway). What I'm saying, and what I think others are as well, is that we do not claim that Christianity, the whole religion, is at war with America because a few nutbags do something in the name of Jesus.

You cannot contribute the action of a few retards and claim they are the standard-bearers for all of the others that share the name of a religion. If so, Christians have to own all of their crazies as well and name them the standard-bearers for their religion.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Cite that.

Today Christians murdered someone in the name of their religion where?

You are making a very wide sweeping, general accusation about nearly 200 billion people, you are implying that we all murder "all the time"

You have not presented any evidence it has happened EVER.

And it does matter how many instances, as you have compared all Christians to terrorists who are slaughtering men, women, children and infants with abandon.

You need to pony up on the bull**** instead of making reckless and wild accusations. "all the time" my pimpled ass!
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No, YOU are making that assumption, nobody is saying what you are claiming they are saying. Try some honesty once in a while. Stop emotionally reacting to what is said. Try being rational from time to time.
 
Fearandloathing said:
There is not, though, radical Islamism...according to Obama.
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That's not what Obama is trying to say. From what I'm understanding, Obama is saying ISIS does not represent Islam because they're not actually following the teaching of that faith. They are twisting it to empower themselves, much like the KKK did in America.
 
I don't understand how obama missed the opportunity to claim that global warming causes terrorism. Somebody somewhere within his group of advisors is a slacker. That would wrap up poverty, real Islam, whack a mole, and all the other stuff into one big enchilada. Talk about a missed opportunity - someone's head should roll for that failure. Wait for it. It's coming. No mistake is so egregious it can't be corrected in politics.
 
Tettsuo said:
No one is questioning the difference in magnitude (not this century anyway). What I'm saying, and what I think others are as well, is that we do not claim that Christianity, the whole religion, is at war with America because a few nutbags do something in the name of Jesus.

You cannot contribute the action of a few retards and claim they are the standard-bearers for all of the others that share the name of a religion. If so, Christians have to own all of their crazies as well and name them the standard-bearers for their religion.
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First why is it relevant for Christians so much and not everyone?

And two, you are not saying that or haven't been until now.

And the reasoning gets convoluted as there is no evidence that "Christians" are even saying "all of Islam", I certainly have not. So, out of the gate there is a rather large extrapolation that has little of any foundation.

And further, what IS being said is crap about the crusades, slavery and now 'murder in the name of Christianity "happens all the time"...if there is a more general, wide sweeping, unfounded and hypocritical accusation then moon is a photograph. FFS, that side says "Christians" are the ones tainting with one brush while tainting with one brush.
 
Tettsuo said:
That's not what Obama is trying to say. From what I'm understanding, Obama is saying ISIS does not represent Islam because they're not actually following the teaching of that faith. They are twisting it to empower themselves, much like the KKK did in America.
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Well now we are into your interpretation and everyone else's...

Why the **** even raise it in the wake of a guy being burned alive? Why the crusades and slavery if not a shot at "Christianity"

Look, in 25 years plus being paid to cover politicians I have seen few, very few, with the command of communication has Obama. He is one of the most gifted....and filtered politician in America today.

Now look at your earlier post where you, in very clear terms, explain what you would liked him to have said. Now ask this: How come it was not as clear and to the point as you could make it....if that is, indeed, it was a "what I meant was...." situation.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Thank you!

There is both. I heard there was this thingy claiming to be Christian and who worship him, called "Westboro"...

And you know what, there is also radical Sikhism, the bastards killed around 350 people in the Air India bombing in the early 80's, the first act of international terror in north America.

And there is radical Hinduism as well.

There is not, though, radical Islamism...according to Obama.
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Nonsense. Interpreting Obama's statements as a denial that radical Islamism exists is foolish.
 
Tettsuo said:
That's not what Obama is trying to say. From what I'm understanding, Obama is saying ISIS does not represent Islam because they're not actually following the teaching of that faith. They are twisting it to empower themselves, much like the KKK did in America.
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Actually, they are following the teachings of the faith. It's the people who are NOT KILLING PEOPLE who aren't following Islam. The Qur'an is really quite clear on the subject. Then again, so is the Bible, people who aren't out killing witches and stoning unruly children aren't following what the Bible has to say. They're justifying ignoring parts they don't like.
 
Kobie said:
Nonsense. Interpreting Obama's statements as a denial that radical Islamism exists is foolish.
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Then show us a direct quote from Obama where he admits that "radical Islamism" exists and is responsible for terrorist acts. Go ahead.
 
Cephus said:
Then show us a direct quote from Obama where he admits that "radical Islamism" exists and is responsible for terrorist acts. Go ahead.
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See his comments about "hijacking religion." His deliberate disassociation of ISIS from mainstream Islam has a purpose that appears to be lost on those eager to condemn all of Islam for the actions of its extremists, or who are unwilling to look at the root causes of radicalization.
 
Kobie said:
See his comments about "hijacking religion." His deliberate disassociation of ISIS from mainstream Islam has a purpose that appears to be lost on those eager to condemn all of Islam for the actions of its extremists, or who are unwilling to look at the root causes of radicalization.
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They aren't hijacking religion any more than Mormons are hijacking Christianity. There are tons of different sects of Christianity, more than 41,000 at last count, who is "hijacking" religion from whom? All that's being done is you (or Obama) is declaring that one version of Islam is "acceptable" and others are not, just because they can deal with one and not the other. Neither you nor the Idiot in Chief get to decide what is a valid religion and what is not.
 
Cephus said:
They aren't hijacking religion any more than Mormons are hijacking Christianity. There are tons of different sects of Christianity, more than 41,000 at last count, who is "hijacking" religion from whom? All that's being done is you (or Obama) is declaring that one version of Islam is "acceptable" and others are not, just because they can deal with one and not the other. Neither you nor the Idiot in Chief get to decide what is a valid religion and what is not.
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When people use religion as justification to perform unspeakable acts, that is "hijacking religion."
 
Kobie said:
When people use religion as justification to perform unspeakable acts, that is "hijacking religion."
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Unless that religion demands unspeakable acts, at which point it's just following the religion.
 
Cephus said:
Unless that religion demands unspeakable acts, at which point it's just following the religion.
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Parts of the Bible demand killing people for all sorts of offenses. Would doing that just be "following the religion"?
 
Kobie said:
Parts of the Bible demand killing people for all sorts of offenses. Would doing that just be "following the religion"?
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Yup. That's why I keep pointing out that the people who are "hijacking" religion are the people who DON'T do what their supposed holy books say.
 
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