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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

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    The claim that “We want the issues solved in Libya to be done peacefully and through good governance and politics and not violence” overlooks the fact that Gaddafi was removed by Obama through an act of extreme violence. We seem to have entered another dimension.
    They created the mess and now won't own up to it. Instead have the audacity to criticize the Egyptians and the UAE for attacking the assholes within Libya that they allowed to take hold. But then again this is the administration that tried to put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt who have invited them to sit at the table in discussions at the State Department on several occasions. Look Obama chose to lead from behind, and everywhere he has led from behind from Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Syria is a friggin mess.

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

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    The claim that “We want the issues solved in Libya to be done peacefully and through good governance and politics and not violence” overlooks the fact that Gaddafi was removed by Obama through an act of extreme violence. We seem to have entered another dimension.
    We are in the freaking twilight zone. I will never forget this period.

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    They created the mess and now won't own up to it. Instead have the audacity to criticize the Egyptians and the UAE for attacking the assholes within Libya that they allowed to take hold. But then again this is the administration that tried to put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt who have invited them to sit at the table in discussions at the State Department on several occasions. Look Obama chose to lead from behind, and everywhere he has led from behind from Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Syria is a friggin mess.
    People are legitimately, though quietly, asking who side this guy is really on. I was never a 'birther' or a supporter of any conspiracy but... his actions over the past few years have been highly unproductive as far as American interests are concerned..

    I would still like to know what he was referring to when he sent the message to Putin that he could be more 'flexible' after the last election.

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

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    We are in the freaking twilight zone. I will never forget this period.
    I'm serious when I say to all believers, pray.

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "...During the war, Northerners and Southerners sometimes used the uncapitalized phrase “civil war” as a declarative description of the mess in which they found themselves, but Civil War was not yet a proper noun. “Now we are engaged in a great civil war,” President Lincoln famously declared in the Gettysburg Address. Less famously, Lt. James Langhorne of the 4th Virginia Infantry lamented to his mother, “I think our country is doomed to a civil war of years duration.” Throughout the struggle Confederates likewise spoke of the “civil war,” or just “this war.”....

    Lincoln understood the importance of semantics. “It might seem, at first thought, to be of little difference whether the present movement at the South be called ‘secession’ or ‘rebellion,’” he told Congress in July 1861. “The movers, however, well understand the difference.” Lincoln thought that secession was an act of rebellion against democratic self-government. .....

    Rebellion had profound constitutional implications. Calling secession a rebellion enabled the government to put into motion the constitutional machinery of war to “suppress Insurrections,” according to the Constitution’s Article I, Section 8. Article I, Section 9 allowed the suspension of habeas corpus “in Cases of Rebellion.” .....

    Seeing the conflict as a rebellion implied an ambivalent policy toward civilians. If the Union was fighting a rebellion led by a handful of traitors, and not another sovereign nation, then civilians in the rebelling states ought not to be assumed to be enemies, as they must be if they were governed by a sovereign nation with legitimate claim to their allegiance...."

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...e-of-war/?_r=0
    You said this...
    President Lincoln didn't recognize the Southern rebel uprising as a "war" either. If he had it would have legitimized the Southern seccession. It's the same with Obama refusing to give the jihadists any recognition for their uprising as well. In fact, we shouldn't even be calling them a state.
    At no point did you say "civil" war, but it still was and everyone knew that too-you think they forgot they were fighting each other?

    And the north called them rebels because they were.

    What was your attempted point? That Lincoln was a weak chump like Obama? Or just an attempt to associate Obama with a potus whos actually was a strong leader?
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    They created the mess and now won't own up to it. Instead have the audacity to criticize the Egyptians and the UAE for attacking the assholes within Libya that they allowed to take hold. But then again this is the administration that tried to put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt who have invited them to sit at the table in discussions at the State Department on several occasions. Look Obama chose to lead from behind, and everywhere he has led from behind from Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Syria is a friggin mess.
    I dont know what this idiot wants. We keep hearing from the left that the arabs need to fight terror and when they do he whines. And all after himself attacking Libya after Hillary lied to get us involved in doing the SAME.

    Seriously WTF is he trying to do here? Hes not only not leading, he's now impeding the war on terror.

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    People are legitimately, though quietly, asking who side this guy is really on. I was never a 'birther' or a supporter of any conspiracy but... his actions over the past few years have been highly unproductive as far as American interests are concerned..

    I would still like to know what he was referring to when he sent the message to Putin that he could be more 'flexible' after the last election.
    There have been many decisions out of this White House in regard to foreign affairs that can't help make a person wonder. What is going on now is just unreal.

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

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    I'm serious when I say to all believers, pray.
    I never say it, but Jesus Christ!

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    People are legitimately, though quietly, asking who side this guy is really on. I was never a 'birther' or a supporter of any conspiracy but... his actions over the past few years have been highly unproductive as far as American interests are concerned..

    I would still like to know what he was referring to when he sent the message to Putin that he could be more 'flexible' after the last election.
    Giuliani just gave a speech where he essentially asked the same. I dont know why he still thinks pissing off his allies and sucking up to our enemies-nobody is buying it. What kind of POTUS is this?

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont know what this idiot wants. We keep hearing from the left that the arabs need to fight terror and when they do he whines. And all after himself attacking Libya after Hillary lied to get us involved in doing the SAME.

    Seriously WTF is he trying to do here? Hes not only not leading, he's now impeding the war on terror.
    Like I just mentioned to Grant...none of it is adding up. We went into Libya using violence to take down Kaddafi and then turn around and rebuke those who responded to ISIS for violence against their own? Jeesh. Like you stated earlier, it is indeed Twilight zone.

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